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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: tlhutlh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Wed Nov 18 13:42:14 2015
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:41:37 -0500
To: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Cc: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Interesting.
>
> {-vo=E2=80=99} does imply a direction of travel, and most commonly, it=E2=
=80=99s uses to
> describe the motion of the subject of a verb of motion. But=E2=80=A6
>
> targhwIjvo=E2=80=99 Hom vInge=E2=80=99.
>
> In this case, the direct object is the thing moved, and the direction of
> motion is defined by the noun with {-vo=E2=80=99}, and if you can=E2=80=
=99t say it this
> way, how could it be said?
>
To me {targhwIjvo' Hom vInge'} means that I'm taking away a bone in a
direction away from my targ (Away from my targh, I take away a bone). I see
{targhwIjvo'} as probably a location, just like {targhwIjDaq} would be
since TKD says {-Daq} and {-vo'} are similar in the way they work. Do we
have any examples of {-vo'} where it's obviously a subject or object? The
example in TKD {pa'vo' yIjaH} - "Go away from the room" seems to mirror
{ pa'Daq yIjaH} - "Go to the room".
Would we say {targhwIjDaq Hom vInob} - "I give a bone to my targh"? I think
that would be {targhwIjvaD Hom vInob}, qar'a'?
This makes me wonder if {-vo'} is even needed in this case though:
targhwIj Hom vInge' - I take away my targ's bone
> I can come up with several really bad suggestions. This one seems far mor=
e
> appropriate.
>
> So, back to your example, would people still have difficulty if you were
> explicit?
>
> HIvje=E2=80=99vo=E2=80=99 HIq vItlhutlh.
>
I see this as "away from the cup, I drink alcohol". We could drop the
{-vo'} again though:
HIvje' HIq vItlhutlh
I drink the cup's alcohol
This could only be the {HIq} in the {HIvje'}.
qurgh
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On W=
ed, Nov 18, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Will Martin <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"m=
ailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.co=
m</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204=
);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-w=
ord"><div>Interesting.</div><div><br></div><div>{-vo=E2=80=99} does imply a=
direction of travel, and most commonly, it=E2=80=99s uses to describe the =
motion of the subject of a verb of motion. But=E2=80=A6</div><div><br></div=
><div>targhwIjvo=E2=80=99 Hom vInge=E2=80=99.</div><div><br></div><div>In t=
his case, the direct object is the thing moved, and the direction of motion=
is defined by the noun with {-vo=E2=80=99}, and if you can=E2=80=99t say i=
t this way, how could it be said?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
iv>To me {targhwIjvo' Hom vInge'} means that I'm taking away a =
bone in a direction away from my targ (Away from my targh, I take away a bo=
ne). I see {targhwIjvo'} as probably a location, just like {targhwIjDaq=
} would be since TKD says {-Daq} and {-vo'} are similar in the way they=
work. Do we have any examples of {-vo'} where it's obviously a sub=
ject or object? The example in TKD {pa'vo' yIjaH} - "Go away f=
rom the room" seems to mirror {=C2=A0pa'Daq yIjaH} - =C2=A0"G=
o to the room".<br><br>Would we say {targhwIjDaq Hom vInob} - "I =
give a bone to my targh"? I think that would be {targhwIjvaD Hom vInob=
}, qar'a'?</div><div>=C2=A0<br>This makes me wonder if {-vo'} i=
s even needed in this case though:=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>targh=
wIj Hom vInge' - I take away my targ's bone</div><div><br></div><di=
v>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left=
-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>I c=
an come up with several really bad suggestions. This one seems far more app=
ropriate.<br></div><div><br></div><div>So, back to your example, would peop=
le still have difficulty if you were explicit?</div><div><br></div><div>HIv=
je=E2=80=99vo=E2=80=99 HIq vItlhutlh.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>I se=
e this as "away from the cup, I drink alcohol". We could drop the=
{-vo'} again though:</div><div><br>HIvje' HIq vItlhutlh<br>I drink=
the cup's alcohol=C2=A0<br><br>This could only be the {HIq} in the {HI=
vje'}. =C2=A0<br><br>qurgh</div></div></div></div>
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