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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: tlhutlh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Wed Nov 18 13:20:30 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:20:14 -0500
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Interesting.
{-vo=E2=80=99} does imply a direction of travel, and most commonly, =
it=E2=80=99s uses to describe the motion of the subject of a verb of =
motion. But=E2=80=A6
targhwIjvo=E2=80=99 Hom vInge=E2=80=99.
In this case, the direct object is the thing moved, and the direction of =
motion is defined by the noun with {-vo=E2=80=99}, and if you can=E2=80=99=
t say it this way, how could it be said?
I can come up with several really bad suggestions. This one seems far =
more appropriate.
So, back to your example, would people still have difficulty if you were =
explicit?
HIvje=E2=80=99vo=E2=80=99 HIq vItlhutlh.
And if this is acceptable, why not get even more vague about the direct =
object?
HIvje=E2=80=99vo=E2=80=99 jItlhutlh.
I=E2=80=99m having less trouble with this than some others are. The =
action of the verb involves a prepositional relationship with a noun. =
Something moves from the glass. Does it have to be the subject? I =
suspect not.
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
> On Nov 18, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Fatairae <fatairae@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Nov 18, 2015, at 12:19, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name =
<mailto:sustel@trimboli.name>> wrote:
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>> However, you used the wrong verb prefix. {mu-} means "he/she/it/they =
do something to me." You want {jI-} "I do something (not to anything in =
particular)."
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> Ahh, of course, grabbed the wrong prefix. Been trying to not =
reference charts, and just use what's in my brain.
> However, in the original construction, I was meaning to think:
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> HIvje'vo' vItlhutlh : =46rom the cup, I drink (it)
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> The implied (it) is the liquid DO in a previous msg. Would that =
change the argument about -vo'? It is the "it" which is being drunk =
(moved) away from the cup.
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">Interesting.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">{-vo=E2=80=99} does imply a direction =
of travel, and most commonly, it=E2=80=99s uses to describe the motion =
of the subject of a verb of motion. But=E2=80=A6</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">targhwIjvo=E2=80=99 Hom =
vInge=E2=80=99.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">In this case, the direct object is the thing moved, and the =
direction of motion is defined by the noun with {-vo=E2=80=99}, and if =
you can=E2=80=99t say it this way, how could it be said?</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I can come up with =
several really bad suggestions. This one seems far more =
appropriate.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So,=
back to your example, would people still have difficulty if you were =
explicit?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">HIvje=E2=80=99vo=E2=80=99 HIq vItlhutlh.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">And if this is =
acceptable, why not get even more vague about the direct =
object?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">HIvje=E2=80=99vo=E2=80=99 jItlhutlh.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m having less trouble with =
this than some others are. The action of the verb involves a =
prepositional relationship with a noun. Something moves from the glass. =
Does it have to be the subject? I suspect not.</div><br class=3D""><div =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Nov 18, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Fatairae <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fatairae@gmail.com" class=3D"">fatairae@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><font class=3D""><span =
style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class=3D"">On Nov =
18, 2015, at 12:19, SuStel <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" =
class=3D"">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br =
class=3D""></span></font></div><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><font class=3D""><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, =
255, 255, 0);" class=3D""><br class=3D"">However, you used the wrong =
verb prefix. {mu-} means "he/she/it/they do something to me." You want =
{jI-} "I do something (not to anything in particular)."<br =
class=3D""></span></font></blockquote></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Ahh, of course, grabbed the wrong =
prefix. Been trying to not reference charts, and just use what's =
in my brain.</div><div class=3D""> However, in the original =
construction, I was meaning to think:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""> HIvje'vo' vItlhutlh : =46rom=
the cup, I drink (it)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""> The implied (it) is the liquid DO in a previous msg. =
Would that change the argument about -vo'? It is the "it" =
which is being drunk (moved) away from the cup.</div><div class=3D""><br =
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