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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] KLBC : Sentences as objects
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Wed Nov 18 11:31:00 2015
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 11:30:42 -0500
From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:23 AM, nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Another problem is that you are using the prefix shortcut with {=E2=80=
=98e=E2=80=99} as
>> the direct object and =E2=80=9Cme=E2=80=9D as the indirect object, and I=
=E2=80=99ve never seen that
>> done before, and I=E2=80=99m not sure I like it. It=E2=80=99s just anoth=
er layer of
>> complexity in a language that values directness and simplicity.
>>
>>
> Wouldn't it be more complex if the prefix trick had a list of exceptions?
> Using the prefix trick with {'e'} as the third-person direct object and
> "me" as the indirect object seems like a straightforward application of t=
he
> idea. (For me, the real complexity here is in combining the prefix trick
> with the different rules for prefixes with {-lu'}, bending {vI-} all the
> way from "I verb" to "someone verbs it for me".)
>
reH Suvrup SuvwI''a'! Of course, {vI-} is "I verb he/she/it/them", not just
"I verb".
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:23 AM, nIqolay Q <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">niqolay0@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On =
Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Will Martin <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"=
mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.c=
om</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"wo=
rd-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div>Another problem is that you are usi=
ng the prefix shortcut with {=E2=80=98e=E2=80=99} as the direct object and =
=E2=80=9Cme=E2=80=9D as the indirect object, and I=E2=80=99ve never seen th=
at done before, and I=E2=80=99m not sure I like it. It=E2=80=99s just anoth=
er layer of complexity in a language that values directness and simplicity.=
</div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Wouldn't it be =
more complex if the prefix trick had a list of exceptions? Using the prefix=
trick with {'e'} as the third-person direct object and "me&qu=
ot; as the indirect object seems like a straightforward application of the =
idea. (For me, the real complexity here is in combining the prefix trick wi=
th the different rules for prefixes with {-lu'}, bending {vI-} all the =
way from "I verb" to "someone verbs it for me".)<br></d=
iv></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>reH Suvrup SuvwI'=
'a'! Of course, {vI-} is "I verb he/she/it/them", not jus=
t "I verb". <br></div></div><br></div></div>
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