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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] KLBC : Sentences as objects
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Wed Nov 18 11:23:34 2015
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 11:23:14 -0500
From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Another problem is that you are using the prefix shortcut with {=E2=80=98=
e=E2=80=99} as
> the direct object and =E2=80=9Cme=E2=80=9D as the indirect object, and I=
=E2=80=99ve never seen that
> done before, and I=E2=80=99m not sure I like it. It=E2=80=99s just anothe=
r layer of
> complexity in a language that values directness and simplicity.
>
>
Wouldn't it be more complex if the prefix trick had a list of exceptions?
Using the prefix trick with {'e'} as the third-person direct object and
"me" as the indirect object seems like a straightforward application of the
idea. (For me, the real complexity here is in combining the prefix trick
with the different rules for prefixes with {-lu'}, bending {vI-} all the
way from "I verb" to "someone verbs it for me".)
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Will Martin <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@=
gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div sty=
le=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div>Another problem is that you=
are using the prefix shortcut with {=E2=80=98e=E2=80=99} as the direct obj=
ect and =E2=80=9Cme=E2=80=9D as the indirect object, and I=E2=80=99ve never=
seen that done before, and I=E2=80=99m not sure I like it. It=E2=80=99s ju=
st another layer of complexity in a language that values directness and sim=
plicity.</div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Wouldn't it be=
more complex if the prefix trick had a list of exceptions? Using the prefi=
x trick with {'e'} as the third-person direct object and "me&q=
uot; as the indirect object seems like a straightforward application of the=
idea. (For me, the real complexity here is in combining the prefix trick w=
ith the different rules for prefixes with {-lu'}, bending {vI-} all the=
way from "I verb" to "someone verbs it for me".)<br></=
div></div><br></div></div>
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