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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuqDaq ghaH 'arHa'e'?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Tue Nov 17 09:52:32 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 09:52:14 -0500
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You=E2=80=99ve got several replies, but none of them seem to answer your =
question.
In The Klingon Dictionary (TKD), the definition is =E2=80=9Cbreak =
(rules)=E2=80=9D. That=E2=80=99s it. =E2=80=9CInfringe=E2=80=9D is not =
part of the definition. I can=E2=80=99t find any secondary source that =
includes the word =E2=80=9Cinfringe=E2=80=9D. Maybe there=E2=80=99s a =
canon translation that includes it, but if there is, you can=E2=80=99t =
cite it because you don=E2=80=99t keep track of the sources of your =
words.
This is why it is important, if you are making your own dictionary, to =
mark the sources of your definitions, and to avoid corrupting your =
definitions with every word that anybody suggests might be an acceptable =
synonym that they think should go in the definition "in order to assist =
in looking up words=E2=80=9D.
If you want to add words to help you look up the Klingon word, then =
create a second field in your database for =E2=80=9Cdefinitions I want =
to add to help me find this word=E2=80=9D so you don=E2=80=99t find =
yourself five years from now arguing that you don=E2=80=99t know the =
source, but you are sure it=E2=80=99s canon, straight from Okrand=E2=80=99=
s pen or mouth or keyboard.
When I started my dictionary, I happened to be reading about the =
creation of the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), and looking at it a =
lot, and recognized that sources are important. I called mine the =
Annotated Klingon Dictionary (AKD), and used up at least five of my 15 =
seconds of fame when Marc Okrand looked at a copy of AKD at an early =
qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 and asked if he could have it because at the time =
HIS word list consisted of a pile of scraps of paper.
I=E2=80=99m sure he=E2=80=99s got something much better now, but the =
episode solidified the tendency I already had to stress the importance =
of sources. Don=E2=80=99t put anything in your dictionary that isn=E2=80=99=
t cited canon, unless you note so, because you=E2=80=99ll be using your =
dictionary for years, and you will forget which entries came from where, =
unless that=E2=80=99s part of the data you collect with each word.
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
> On Nov 17, 2015, at 3:55 AM, Anthony Appleyard =
<a.appleyard@btinternet.com> wrote:
>=20
> In this message, my dictionary in my computer says that {bIv} means =
"infringe", but is that the correct meaning?
>=20
> ----Original message----
> =46rom : de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com
> Date : 17/11/2015 - 06:48 (GMTST)
> ......
> taghwI'pu' tIQorgh. yIbIv, 'ej bIbIvtaHvIS qa'meH vIttlheghvam yIqaw:
> Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS SuvwI'pu'.
>=20
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">You=E2=80=99ve got several replies, but none =
of them seem to answer your question.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">In The Klingon Dictionary (TKD), the =
definition is =E2=80=9Cbreak (rules)=E2=80=9D. That=E2=80=99s it. =
=E2=80=9CInfringe=E2=80=9D is not part of the definition. I can=E2=80=99t =
find any secondary source that includes the word =E2=80=9Cinfringe=E2=80=9D=
. Maybe there=E2=80=99s a canon translation that includes it, but if =
there is, you can=E2=80=99t cite it because you don=E2=80=99t keep track =
of the sources of your words.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">This is why it is important, if you are =
making your own dictionary, to mark the sources of your definitions, and =
to avoid corrupting your definitions with every word that anybody =
suggests might be an acceptable synonym that they think should go in the =
definition "in order to assist in looking up words=E2=80=9D.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">If you want to add words =
to help you look up the Klingon word, then create a second field in your =
database for =E2=80=9Cdefinitions I want to add to help me find this =
word=E2=80=9D so you don=E2=80=99t find yourself five years from now =
arguing that you don=E2=80=99t know the source, but you are sure it=E2=80=99=
s canon, straight from Okrand=E2=80=99s pen or mouth or =
keyboard.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">When =
I started my dictionary, I happened to be reading about the creation of =
the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), and looking at it a lot, and =
recognized that sources are important. I called mine the Annotated =
Klingon Dictionary (AKD), and used up at least five of my 15 seconds of =
fame when Marc Okrand looked at a copy of AKD at an early qep=E2=80=99a=E2=
=80=99 and asked if he could have it because at the time HIS word list =
consisted of a pile of scraps of paper.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m sure he=E2=80=99s got =
something much better now, but the episode solidified the tendency I =
already had to stress the importance of sources. Don=E2=80=99t put =
anything in your dictionary that isn=E2=80=99t cited canon, unless you =
note so, because you=E2=80=99ll be using your dictionary for years, and =
you will forget which entries came from where, unless that=E2=80=99s =
part of the data you collect with each word.</div><br class=3D""><div =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Nov 17, 2015, at 3:55 AM, Anthony Appleyard <<a =
href=3D"mailto:a.appleyard@btinternet.com" =
class=3D"">a.appleyard@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">In this message, my =
dictionary in my computer says that {bIv} means "infringe", but is that =
the correct meaning?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">----Original =
message----<br class=3D"">=46rom : <a =
href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a><br class=3D"">Date : 17/11/2015 - =
06:48 (GMTST)<br class=3D"">......<br class=3D"">taghwI'pu' tIQorgh. =
yIbIv, 'ej bIbIvtaHvIS qa'meH vIttlheghvam yIqaw:<br class=3D"">Hagh =
qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS SuvwI'pu'.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
class=3D"">Tlhingan-hol mailing list<br class=3D""><a =
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