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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Expressing gratitude
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Holt)
Fri Nov 13 12:04:06 2015
From: David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com>
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:03:49 +0000
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ghItlh qunnoQ HoD:
> actually,before sending the "expressing gratitude" mail,I sent a KLBC que=
stion but apparently it has been lost in subspace. Hopefully it will reappe=
ar
> in the hours to come..
If you are referring to the "Sentences as Objects" email, rest assured that=
it has gone out to the list and 'arHa has received it. He just hasn't had=
time to respond and we are all awaiting his response as the BG before we a=
dd in any additional notes. Please be patient. He will be with you as soon=
as he can.
janSIy
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com<mailto:=
qeslagh@hotmail.com>> wrote:
ghItlhpu' qunnoQ, jatlh:
> I recently read that klingons do not say "thank you". So I
> wonder.. What does a Klingon say to express gratitude ?
> What would he/she say in the place of "thank you" ?
I feel okay jumping in on this one because it's really not a grammar/KLBC q=
uestion, and more just one of practical usage that can't be answered based =
on canon :)
The short answer is: it's complicated.
The long answer is that like lojmIt tI'wI' nuv, I find it difficult to beli=
eve that Klingons wouldn't express gratitude if they felt it truly warrante=
d (though as SuStel notes, it's probably not an everyday expression; I than=
k people too often when speaking Klingon, I know this to be true). Apart fr=
om just being a good way to be open about a positive emotion, it also helps=
to keep the other person feeling positively about interacting with you or =
doing things for you, so it's not like it's an entirely useless nicety. As =
for how Klingons would thank each other, to be honest, we don't know; we ha=
ve no canon for this that I'm aware of.
In practice, Terran Klingon speakers sometimes use {qatlho'} "I thank you" =
or {Satlho'} "I thank you all", or more simply {tlho'}, which can be interp=
reted either as a Clipped Klingon version of {qatlho'}/{Satlho'}, or simply=
as the noun meaning "gratitude". I've both heard and used {tlho'} at qep'a=
'mey. How I, personally, do it is to use a brief {tlho'} more or less where=
I'd say "cheers" in my native Australian English (which can be a wide rang=
e: having a stranger hold an elevator for me, expressing appreciation to th=
e bus driver as I leave the bus, getting a compliment from a friend... not =
as in the toast, though). If I want to say a more formal "thank you" or "th=
ank you very much" - if I were being presented with an award or recognition=
, for instance - then that would warrant the full, unclipped {qatlho'}, or =
perhaps even {qatlho'qu'} or {qatlho'qu'neS}, depending on the context. (Su=
bstitute pronominal prefixes as appropriate, of course.)
Nevertheless, there are other ways to show someone your gratitude or apprec=
iation. It can help to work out what you're thanking the other person for. =
Did they do something you asked of them? You could say the exclamation {maj=
} "good" or simple verbs like {jIbel} "I'm pleased", {jIyon} "I'm satisfied=
", or {jIQuch} "I'm happy". Has someone paid you a compliment? You could sa=
y something like {choquvmoH} "you honour me". I find myself using this one =
often (not least of the reasons why is that I often feel that compliments t=
hat are paid me go beyond what I feel I deserve, but that's another story).
QeS 'utlh
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<div dir=3D"ltr">> actually,before sending the "expressing gratitud=
e" mail,I sent a KLBC question but apparently it has been lost in subs=
pace. Hopefully it will reappear</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">> in the hours to come..<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">If you are referring to the "Sentences as Objects&quo=
t; email, rest assured that it has gone out to the list and 'arHa has recei=
ved it. He just hasn't had time to respond and we are all awaiting hi=
s response as the BG before we add in any additional
notes. Please be patient. He will be with you as soon as he can.</di=
v>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">janSIy</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Rohan Fenwick <=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">ghItlhpu' qunnoQ, jatlh:<br>
<div><span class=3D"">> I recently read that klingons do not say "t=
hank you". So I<br>
> wonder.. What does a Klingon say to express gratitude ?</span>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><span class=3D"">> What would he/she say in the place of "than=
k you" ?<br>
<br>
</span>I feel okay jumping in on this one because it's really not a grammar=
/KLBC question, and more just one of practical usage that can't be answered=
based on canon :)<br>
<br>
The short answer is: it's complicated.<br>
<br>
The long answer is that like lojmIt tI'wI' nuv, I find it difficult to beli=
eve that Klingons wouldn't express gratitude if they felt it truly warrante=
d (though as SuStel notes, it's probably not an everyday expression; I than=
k people too often when speaking
Klingon, I know this to be true). Apart from just being a good way to be o=
pen about a positive emotion, it also helps to keep the other person feelin=
g positively about interacting with you or doing things for you, so it's no=
t like it's an entirely useless
nicety. As for how Klingons would thank each other, to be honest, we don't=
know; we have no canon for this that I'm aware of.<br>
<br>
In practice, Terran Klingon speakers sometimes use {qatlho'} "I thank =
you" or {Satlho'} "I thank you all", or more simply {tlho'},=
which can be interpreted either as a Clipped Klingon version of {qatlho'}/=
{Satlho'}, or simply as the noun meaning "gratitude".
I've both heard and used {tlho'} at qep'a'mey. How I, personally, do it is=
to use a brief {tlho'} more or less where I'd say "cheers" in my=
native Australian English (which can be a wide range: having a stranger ho=
ld an elevator for me, expressing appreciation
to the bus driver as I leave the bus, getting a compliment from a friend..=
. not as in the toast, though). If I want to say a more formal "thank =
you" or "thank you very much" - if I were being presented wi=
th an award or recognition, for instance - then that
would warrant the full, unclipped {qatlho'}, or perhaps even {qatlho'qu'} =
or {qatlho'qu'neS}, depending on the context. (Substitute pronominal prefix=
es as appropriate, of course.)<br>
<br>
Nevertheless, there are other ways to show someone your gratitude or apprec=
iation. It can help to work out what you're thanking the other person for. =
Did they do something you asked of them? You could say the exclamation {maj=
} "good" or simple verbs like {jIbel}
"I'm pleased", {jIyon} "I'm satisfied", or {jIQuch} &q=
uot;I'm happy". Has someone paid you a compliment? You could say somet=
hing like {choquvmoH} "you honour me". I find myself using this o=
ne often (not least of the reasons why is that I often feel that compliment=
s
that are paid me go beyond what I feel I deserve, but that's another story=
).<br>
<br>
QeS 'utlh<br>
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