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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Expressing gratitude
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick)
Fri Nov 13 11:33:26 2015
From: Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 02:33:11 +1000
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ghItlhpu' qunnoQ=2C jatlh:
> I recently read that klingons do not say "thank you". So I
> wonder.. What does a Klingon say to express gratitude ?> What would he/sh=
e say in the place of "thank you" ?
I feel okay jumping in on this one because it's really not a grammar/KLBC q=
uestion=2C and more just one of practical usage that can't be answered base=
d on canon :)
The short answer is: it's complicated.
The long answer is that like lojmIt tI'wI' nuv=2C I find it difficult to be=
lieve that Klingons wouldn't express gratitude if they felt it truly warran=
ted (though as SuStel notes=2C it's probably not an everyday expression=3B =
I thank people too often when speaking Klingon=2C I know this to be true). =
Apart from just being a good way to be open about a positive emotion=2C it =
also helps to keep the other person feeling positively about interacting wi=
th you or doing things for you=2C so it's not like it's an entirely useless=
nicety. As for how Klingons would thank each other=2C to be honest=2C we =
don't know=3B we have no canon for this that I'm aware of.
In practice=2C Terran Klingon speakers sometimes use {qatlho'} "I thank you=
" or {Satlho'} "I thank you =0A=
all"=2C or more simply {tlho'}=2C which can be interpreted either as a =0A=
Clipped Klingon version of {qatlho'}/{Satlho'}=2C or simply as the noun =0A=
meaning "gratitude". I've both heard and used {tlho'} at qep'a'mey. How I=
=2C personally=2C do it is to use a brief {tlho'} more or less where I'd sa=
y "cheers" in my native Australian English (which can be a wide range: havi=
ng a stranger hold an elevator for me=2C expressing appreciation=0A=
to the bus driver as I leave the bus=2C getting a compliment from a =0A=
friend... not as in the toast=2C though). If I want to say a more formal "t=
hank you" or "thank you very much" - if I were being presented with an awar=
d or recognition=2C for instance - then that would warrant the full=2C uncl=
ipped {qatlho'}=2C or perhaps even {qatlho'qu'} or {qatlho'qu'neS}=2C depen=
ding on the context. (Substitute pronominal prefixes as appropriate=2C of c=
ourse.)
Nevertheless=2C there are other ways to show someone your gratitude or appr=
eciation. It can help to work out what you're thanking the other person for=
. Did they do something you asked of them? You could say the exclamation {m=
aj} "good" or simple verbs like {jIbel} "I'm pleased"=2C {jIyon} "I'm satis=
fied"=2C or {jIQuch} "I'm happy". Has someone paid you a compliment? You co=
uld say something like {choquvmoH} "you honour me". I find myself using thi=
s one often (not least of the reasons why is that I often feel that complim=
ents that are paid me go beyond what I feel I deserve=2C but that's another=
story).
QeS 'utlh
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<div dir=3D"ltr">ghItlhpu' qunnoQ=2C jatlh:<br><div>>=3B I recently read =
that klingons do not say "thank you". So I<br>>=3B wonder.. What does a K=
lingon say to express gratitude ?<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>>=3B What would he=
/she say in the place of "thank you" ?<br><br>I feel okay jumping in on thi=
s one because it's really not a grammar/KLBC question=2C and more just one =
of practical usage that can't be answered based on canon :)<br><br>The shor=
t answer is: it's complicated.<br><br>The long answer is that like lojmIt t=
I'wI' nuv=2C I find it difficult to believe that Klingons wouldn't express =
gratitude if they felt it truly warranted (though as SuStel notes=2C it's p=
robably not an everyday expression=3B I thank people too often when speakin=
g Klingon=2C I know this to be true). Apart from just being a good way to b=
e open about a positive emotion=2C it also helps to keep the other person f=
eeling positively about interacting with you or doing things for you=2C so =
it's not like it's an entirely useless nicety. As for how Klingons would t=
hank each other=2C to be honest=2C we don't know=3B we have no canon for th=
is that I'm aware of.<br><br>In practice=2C Terran Klingon speakers sometim=
es use {qatlho'} "I thank you" or {Satlho'} "I thank you =0A=
all"=2C or more simply {tlho'}=2C which can be interpreted either as a =0A=
Clipped Klingon version of {qatlho'}/{Satlho'}=2C or simply as the noun =0A=
meaning "gratitude". I've both heard and used {tlho'} at qep'a'mey. How I=
=2C personally=2C do it is to use a brief {tlho'} more or less where I'd sa=
y "cheers" in my native Australian English (which can be a wide range: havi=
ng a stranger hold an elevator for me=2C expressing appreciation=0A=
to the bus driver as I leave the bus=2C getting a compliment from a =0A=
friend... not as in the toast=2C though). If I want to say a more formal "t=
hank you" or "thank you very much" - if I were being presented with an awar=
d or recognition=2C for instance - then that would warrant the full=2C uncl=
ipped {qatlho'}=2C or perhaps even {qatlho'qu'} or {qatlho'qu'neS}=2C depen=
ding on the context. (Substitute pronominal prefixes as appropriate=2C of c=
ourse.)<br><br>Nevertheless=2C there are other ways to show someone your gr=
atitude or appreciation. It can help to work out what you're thanking the o=
ther person for. Did they do something you asked of them? You could say the=
exclamation {maj} "good" or simple verbs like {jIbel} "I'm pleased"=2C {jI=
yon} "I'm satisfied"=2C or {jIQuch} "I'm happy". Has someone paid you a com=
pliment? You could say something like {choquvmoH} "you honour me". I find m=
yself using this one often (not least of the reasons why is that I often fe=
el that compliments that are paid me go beyond what I feel I deserve=2C but=
that's another story).<br><br>QeS 'utlh<br></div></div></div></div>=0A=
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