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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Concerning the purpose clauses
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Wed Nov 11 16:40:49 2015
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Interesting. I don't have any example for {mIm} in my notes. Maybe it
appeared in that Sonnet or in Monopoly? I apparently didn't get all the
sentences from there, yet. Do you remember the source of this sentence? And
what is it in Klingon? {yImImQo'!}, {pemImQo'!}? I'd like to add it to my
notes...
- Andr=C3=A9
2015-11-11 22:34 GMT+01:00 Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>:
> qatlho=E2=80=99.
>
> The point here is that I had noted a canon example of {mIm} being used
> with no direct object. =E2=80=9CDo not delay." That doesn=E2=80=99t prove=
that it can=E2=80=99t be
> used with a direct object, though. Does anyone have a canon example of
> {mIm} being used with a direct object?
>
> It seems like a reasonable gloss for having a direct object, but you neve=
r
> know=E2=80=A6 It could be that you=E2=80=99d have to say {Qu=E2=80=99 yIm=
ImmoHQo=E2=80=99} instead of {Qu=E2=80=99
> yImImQo=E2=80=99}.
>
> pItlh
> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2015, at 1:36 PM, DloraH <seruq@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> (This message never came back to me through the email list.
> Was the previous attempt successful for anyone else?
> I'm sending it again, in case it failed for everyone.)
>
>
> you took away my shoes in order to delay me
> chomImmeH waqmeywIj Dange'
>
>
> If someone has their issues of HolQeD handy, I have a note in
> my dictionary about volume 8, number 4, page 11 relating to
> the verb {mIm}. I apparently interpreted that to mean the
> verb did not take an object. Until I can read that passage,
> however, I can't see a reason to correct this one.
>
>
> The page is giving the Klingon from ST V.
>
> tlh'a' HoD, nIm-buS wej yI-ghoS. vub-pu' jon-ta' HeS-wI'. wa' vub ghaH
> tlhI-ngan ghar-wI'-'e'.
> wa' ghaH te-ra'-ngan-'e'. mIm-Qo'. DaH He-raj yI-choH. batlh tlhI-ngan
> Segh yI-Hub. Qap-la'.
>
> "Captain Klaa, proceed to Nimbus III. A criminal has succeeded in taking
> hostages. One hostage is
> a Klingon diplomat. One is a Terran. One is a Romulan. Do not delay.
> Alter your course now.
> Defend the Klingon race with honor. Success."
>
> (The Klingon did not include any mention of the Romulan hostage.)
>
>
> - DloraH
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Interesting. I don't have any example for {mIm} i=
n my notes. Maybe it appeared in that Sonnet or in Monopoly? I apparently d=
idn't get all the sentences from there, yet. Do you remember the source=
of this sentence? And what is it in Klingon? {yImImQo'!}, {pemImQo'=
;!}? I'd like to add it to my notes...<br><br></div>- Andr=C3=A9<br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2015-11-11 22:=
34 GMT+01:00 Will Martin <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7w=
i7nuv@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</a>></span>=
:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><di=
v>qatlho=E2=80=99.</div><div><br></div><div>The point here is that I had no=
ted a canon example of {mIm} being used with no direct object. =E2=80=9CDo =
not delay." That doesn=E2=80=99t prove that it can=E2=80=99t be used w=
ith a direct object, though. Does anyone have a canon example of {mIm} bein=
g used with a direct object?</div><div><br></div><div>It seems like a reaso=
nable gloss for having a direct object, but you never know=E2=80=A6 It coul=
d be that you=E2=80=99d have to say {Qu=E2=80=99 yImImmoHQo=E2=80=99} inste=
ad of {Qu=E2=80=99 yImImQo=E2=80=99}.</div><br><div>
<span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvet=
ica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing=
:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-tra=
nsform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div>pItlh</div><div>lojmI=
t tI'wI'nuv</div><div><br></div></span><br>
</div>
<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Nov 10, 2015, at 1:36 PM, DloraH=
<<a href=3D"mailto:seruq@bellsouth.net" target=3D"_blank">seruq@bellsou=
th.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>(This message never came back to me thr=
ough the email list.<br>Was the previous attempt successful for anyone else=
?<br>I'm sending it again, in case it failed for everyone.)<br><br><br>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>you =
took away my shoes in order to delay me<br><span style=3D"white-space:pre-w=
rap"> </span>chomImmeH waqmeywIj Dange'<br><br><br>If someone has their=
issues of HolQeD handy, I have a note in <br>my dictionary about volume 8,=
number 4, page 11 relating to <br>the verb {mIm}. I apparently interpreted=
that to mean the <br>verb did not take an object. Until I can read that pa=
ssage, <br>however, I can't see a reason to correct this one.<br></bloc=
kquote><br>The page is giving the Klingon from ST V.<br><br>tlh'a' =
HoD, nIm-buS wej yI-ghoS. =C2=A0vub-pu' jon-ta' HeS-wI'. =C2=A0=
wa' vub ghaH tlhI-ngan ghar-wI'-'e'.<br>wa' ghaH te-ra&=
#39;-ngan-'e'. =C2=A0mIm-Qo'.=C2=A0 DaH He-raj yI-choH. =C2=A0b=
atlh tlhI-ngan Segh yI-Hub.=C2=A0 Qap-la'.<br><br>"Captain Klaa, p=
roceed to Nimbus III.=C2=A0 A criminal has succeeded in taking hostages.=C2=
=A0 One hostage is<br>a Klingon diplomat.=C2=A0 One is a Terran.=C2=A0 One =
is a Romulan.=C2=A0 Do not delay.=C2=A0 Alter your course now.<br>Defend th=
e Klingon race with honor.=C2=A0 Success."<br><br>(The Klingon did not=
include any mention of the Romulan hostage.)<br><br><br>- DloraH<br><br><b=
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