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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Concerning the purpose clauses
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Wed Nov 11 16:34:41 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:34:23 -0500
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The point here is that I had noted a canon example of {mIm} being used =
with no direct object. =E2=80=9CDo not delay." That doesn=E2=80=99t =
prove that it can=E2=80=99t be used with a direct object, though. Does =
anyone have a canon example of {mIm} being used with a direct object?
It seems like a reasonable gloss for having a direct object, but you =
never know=E2=80=A6 It could be that you=E2=80=99d have to say {Qu=E2=80=99=
yImImmoHQo=E2=80=99} instead of {Qu=E2=80=99 yImImQo=E2=80=99}.
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
> On Nov 10, 2015, at 1:36 PM, DloraH <seruq@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> (This message never came back to me through the email list.
> Was the previous attempt successful for anyone else?
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>> you took away my shoes in order to delay me
>> chomImmeH waqmeywIj Dange'
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>> If someone has their issues of HolQeD handy, I have a note in=20
>> my dictionary about volume 8, number 4, page 11 relating to=20
>> the verb {mIm}. I apparently interpreted that to mean the=20
>> verb did not take an object. Until I can read that passage,=20
>> however, I can't see a reason to correct this one.
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> The page is giving the Klingon from ST V.
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> tlh'a' HoD, nIm-buS wej yI-ghoS. vub-pu' jon-ta' HeS-wI'. wa' vub =
ghaH tlhI-ngan ghar-wI'-'e'.
> wa' ghaH te-ra'-ngan-'e'. mIm-Qo'. DaH He-raj yI-choH. batlh =
tlhI-ngan Segh yI-Hub. Qap-la'.
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> "Captain Klaa, proceed to Nimbus III. A criminal has succeeded in =
taking hostages. One hostage is
> a Klingon diplomat. One is a Terran. One is a Romulan. Do not =
delay. Alter your course now.
> Defend the Klingon race with honor. Success."
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> (The Klingon did not include any mention of the Romulan hostage.)
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> - DloraH
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class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The point here is that I had noted a =
canon example of {mIm} being used with no direct object. =E2=80=9CDo not =
delay." That doesn=E2=80=99t prove that it can=E2=80=99t be used with a =
direct object, though. Does anyone have a canon example of {mIm} being =
used with a direct object?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">It seems like a reasonable gloss for having a direct object, =
but you never know=E2=80=A6 It could be that you=E2=80=99d have to say =
{Qu=E2=80=99 yImImmoHQo=E2=80=99} instead of {Qu=E2=80=99 =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Nov 10, 2015, at 1:36 PM, DloraH <<a =
href=3D"mailto:seruq@bellsouth.net" class=3D"">seruq@bellsouth.net</a>>=
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">(This=
message never came back to me through the email list.<br class=3D"">Was =
the previous attempt successful for anyone else?<br class=3D"">I'm =
sending it again, in case it failed for everyone.)<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>you took =
away my shoes in order to delay me<br class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>chomImmeH =
waqmeywIj Dange'<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">If someone =
has their issues of HolQeD handy, I have a note in <br class=3D"">my =
dictionary about volume 8, number 4, page 11 relating to <br =
class=3D"">the verb {mIm}. I apparently interpreted that to mean the <br =
class=3D"">verb did not take an object. Until I can read that passage, =
<br class=3D"">however, I can't see a reason to correct this one.<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">The page is giving the Klingon =
from ST V.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">tlh'a' HoD, nIm-buS wej yI-ghoS. =
vub-pu' jon-ta' HeS-wI'. wa' vub ghaH tlhI-ngan =
ghar-wI'-'e'.<br class=3D"">wa' ghaH te-ra'-ngan-'e'. mIm-Qo'. =
DaH He-raj yI-choH. batlh tlhI-ngan Segh yI-Hub. =
Qap-la'.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">"Captain Klaa, proceed to =
Nimbus III. A criminal has succeeded in taking hostages. One =
hostage is<br class=3D"">a Klingon diplomat. One is a Terran. =
One is a Romulan. Do not delay. Alter your course =
now.<br class=3D"">Defend the Klingon race with honor. =
Success."<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">(The Klingon did not =
include any mention of the Romulan hostage.)<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">- DloraH<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
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