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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Beginner's Grammarian: The hunt is on
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick)
Mon Nov 9 22:34:34 2015
From: Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 13:34:03 +1000
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ghItlhpu' qurgh=2C bIjatlh:
> One of the reason the old BG line was broken=2C was that there wasn't
> enough traffic on the list to warrant a new BG.
I know. Things change=2C though=2C and recently they seem to have changed f=
airly substantially and for the better.
taH:
> While the recent uptick in activity due to qunnoQ and the new words
> has been great=2C is it really enough to warrant a new BG?
(poD vay')
It's not just qunnoQ. It's Karen=2C and 'aQroS=2C and Chelsea=2C and perhap=
s others who haven't stuck their hands up yet. I'm actually surprised it's =
as *high* as 308 (or 170=2C if you want to use that metric)=3B there are ma=
ybe twenty or thirty who post on a regular basis=2C and even accounting for=
the old hands who might still be getting the list traffic=2C that still le=
aves quite a lot of people. Four beginners have stuck their hands up in the=
last month=2C qunnoQ posting regularly=2C Karen a couple times a week. Tha=
t's enough=2C for my part. Hell=2C I fervently believe that one is enough. =
We're not such a big community that we can afford to talk about scale of de=
mand. If there's even one beginner who is dedicated enough to post to the l=
ist=2C surely there must be even one intermediate speaker who can assist th=
em as BG=2C and have the opportunity to develop their own skills as a Kling=
on language speaker (and teacher) in the process.
Even just in general=2C the list is also much more active now than it was b=
ack in the late 2000s - there was a while there where all traffic=2C not ju=
st beginners=2C dropped close to zero. The recent Star Trek movies have don=
e some to help put Klingon back in the public eye=2C and if we can ride the=
Abrams wave for a little while longer=2C we may be able to draw more.
taH:
> Perhaps we can do something different. Instead of having the intermediate
> speakers use the new students to improve their understanding=2C we could
> have the advance speakers/Grammarians help pull the intermediate
> speakers up.
The initial idea motivating the creation of the BG position was to foster a=
nd encourage beginners. The fact that serving as BG is a brilliant way to i=
mprove one's own Hol is a side benefit=2C of sorts. I do like your idea abo=
ut having the advanced speakers working to pull the intermediate ones up in=
a more systematic way=2C and that's something I think we definitely should=
explore. I'd be keen to participate in such a system. But at the same time=
=2C having an "instead of" focus on advanced speakers teaching intermediate=
speakers will result in the few beginners we do have being left behind. Th=
at's emphatically bad for our community.
taH:
> While the BG role has been very important in the past=2C perhaps we shoul=
d
> look at other ways to use the list in lieu of new students.
I can't agree that anything "in lieu of" is a good approach to take. We nee=
d to be thinking "as well as". The growth in the Facebook community is fant=
astic and beyond anything I'd imagined=3B we definitely need to think some =
more about how to develop the community there=2C too. But the list still li=
ves=2C relatively small though it may be=2C and is still frequented by begi=
nners=2C relatively few though they may be. We need to continue making our =
resources available on every front we're humanly capable of.
QeS 'utlh
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>ghItlhpu' qurgh=2C bIjatlh:<br>&=
gt=3B One of the reason the old BG line was broken=2C was that there wasn't=
<br>>=3B enough traffic on the list to warrant a new BG.<br><br>I know. T=
hings change=2C though=2C and recently they seem to have changed fairly sub=
stantially and for the better.<br><br>taH:<br>>=3B While the recent uptic=
k in activity due to qunnoQ and the new words<br>>=3B has been great=2C i=
s it really enough to warrant a new BG?<br><br>(poD vay')<br><br>It's not j=
ust qunnoQ. It's Karen=2C and 'aQroS=2C and Chelsea=2C and perhaps others w=
ho haven't stuck their hands up yet. I'm actually surprised it's as *high* =
as 308 (or 170=2C if you want to use that metric)=3B there are maybe twenty=
or thirty who post on a regular basis=2C and even accounting for the old h=
ands who might still be getting the list traffic=2C that still leaves quite=
a lot of people. Four beginners have stuck their hands up in the last mont=
h=2C qunnoQ posting regularly=2C Karen a couple times a week. That's enough=
=2C for my part. Hell=2C I fervently believe that one is enough. We're not =
such a big community that we can afford to talk about scale of demand. If t=
here's even one beginner who is dedicated enough to post to the list=2C sur=
ely there must be even one intermediate speaker who can assist them as BG=
=2C and have the opportunity to develop their own skills as a Klingon langu=
age speaker (and teacher) in the process.<br><br>Even just in general=2C th=
e list is also much more active now than it was back in the late 2000s - th=
ere was a while there where all traffic=2C not just beginners=2C dropped cl=
ose to zero. The recent Star Trek movies have done some to help put Klingon=
back in the public eye=2C and if we can ride the Abrams wave for a little =
while longer=2C we may be able to draw more.<br><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">t=
aH:<br>>=3B Perhaps we can do something different. Instead of having the =
intermediate<br>>=3B speakers use the new students to improve their under=
standing=2C we could<br>>=3B have the advance speakers/Grammarians help p=
ull the intermediate<br>>=3B speakers up.<br><br>The initial idea motivat=
ing the creation of the BG position was to foster and encourage beginners. =
The fact that serving as BG is a brilliant way to improve one's own Hol is =
a side benefit=2C of sorts. I do like your idea about having the advanced s=
peakers working to pull the intermediate ones up in a more systematic way=
=2C and that's something I think we definitely should explore. I'd be keen =
to participate in such a system. But at the same time=2C having an "instead=
of" focus on advanced speakers teaching intermediate speakers will result =
in the few beginners we do have being left behind. That's emphatically bad =
for our community.<br><br><div>taH:<br>>=3B While the BG role has been ve=
ry important in the past=2C perhaps we should<br>>=3B look at other ways =
to use the list in lieu of =3Bnew students.<br><br>I can't agree that a=
nything "in lieu of" is a good approach to take. We need to be thinking "as=
well as". The growth in the Facebook community is fantastic and beyond any=
thing I'd imagined=3B we definitely need to think some more about how to de=
velop the community there=2C too. But the list still lives=2C relatively sm=
all though it may be=2C and is still frequented by beginners=2C relatively =
few though they may be. We need to continue making our resources available =
on every front we're humanly capable of.<br></div><div><br></div>QeS 'utlh<=
br></div></div> </div></body>
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