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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] tlhIngan cursing
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Mon Nov 9 04:45:31 2015
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 11:45:14 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
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> Sex has nothing to do with the single word the mechanic utters when he
drops his wrench down the silo onto the nuclear warhead, setting off a
spark that ignites the leaking hydrogen fuel tank.
lol ! perfect example !
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:16 AM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <
lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com> wrote:
> Likely the glosses we are given for curses are sufficient to explain
> appropriate use. Any actual meaning the words once had have no relevance.
>
> Take the English =E2=80=9CF=E2=80=9D word. If it has an actual meaning, i=
t is probably
> related to the act of having sex, though that has nothing to do with the
> intent of a person who follows it with =E2=80=9Cyou!=E2=80=9D, or with th=
e use of it as a
> general amplifier with =E2=80=9C-ing=E2=80=9D added, as in =E2=80=9CThat=
=E2=80=99s one f-ing big nose
> you=E2=80=99ve got there!=E2=80=9D or the generic =E2=80=9CI don=E2=80=99=
t like the following=E2=80=9D meaning in
> =E2=80=9CThis f-ing jerk f-ing insulted my mother=E2=80=99s forehead!=E2=
=80=9D Sex also has nothing
> to do with the equivalent of =E2=80=9CThe gig is up!=E2=80=9D statement, =
=E2=80=9CWe=E2=80=99re f-ed.=E2=80=9D
>
> Sex has nothing to do with the phrase, =E2=80=9CDon=E2=80=99t f with me,=
=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CDon=E2=80=99t f with
> that lawn mower.=E2=80=9D
>
> Sex has nothing to do with =E2=80=9CThe meter of this poem is all f-ed up=
=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CThe
> tip of this screwdriver is all f-ed up."
>
> Sex has nothing to do with the single word the mechanic utters when he
> drops his wrench down the silo onto the nuclear warhead, setting off a
> spark that ignites the leaking hydrogen fuel tank.
>
> So, understanding that the f word refers to the act of having sex won=E2=
=80=99t
> help you understand most of the ways the word is used. Likely, Klingon
> curse words are like that.
>
> lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh
> Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
>
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> For all we know, what Klingons consider curse words could well be
> acceptable idioms to us.
> *Hu'tegh* could well be how one could describe the discovery of a tribble
> nursery, and *Qovpatlh* could well be *Today is a day of sweet rainbows
> and fluffy clouds*. A *toDSaH* could well be *someone who goes out of his
> way to help others*, but we know that a *taHqeq*'s lies are despicable,
> which is why it is so insulting to call someone that - perhaps *nice guy*=
could
> be the translation for that.
>
>
>
> On Friday, 6 November 2015, 18:26, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> interesting information !
>
> ..and since we are on the subject of cursing,I would like to take the
> opportunity and say that my two favorite klingon curses are
>
> 1. Hab SoSlI' Quch
> 2. verengan Ha'DIbaH
>
> although I would never say the "your mother has a smooth forehead",becaus=
e
> I believe that anyone's mother is a sacred figure not to be insulted unde=
r
> any circumstances..
> on the other hand though,the ''ferengi dog'' is one of the most beautiful
> things to say to someone who pisses you off ! it is a short phrase,said
> easily when angered,and it somehow "flows out'' of your lips.. it can als=
o
> be said either with extreme anger,or with a slow,nearly silent contemptuo=
us
> voice. it's perfect !
>
> cpt qunnoQ
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:38 PM, nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If I recall correctly, most of the Klingon curses are just gibberish from
> the shows, especially the epithets, and MO just transliterated them into
> Klingon spelling.
>
> There's been a few attempts at "folk etymologies" for the curse words,
> based on similar-sounding words, but nothing definitely authoritative.
> Maltz thinks the word {taHqeq} is related to the expression {bItaHrup'a'}
> "Do you want to continue?", which is used defiantly before escalating an
> argument to the next level (punches or curse warfare). And I think one of
> the footnotes in paq'batlh suggests that {petaQ} is derived from {petaQ}
> meaning "you (plural) be weird!", though I think that footnote was not
> written by Okrand himself. I think there may also be some reluctance on
> Okrand's part to get too deep into the R-rated language, so there's no
> definite association to actual objectionable topics.
>
> For the most part I think you can just translate the curse words to the
> nearest equivalent in the given language based on the context it's been
> used in before. {petaQ}, for instance, seems to be roughly equivalent to
> "asshole, dumbass, bastard", and I think {ghuy'} was translated as "Damn!=
"
> in a line written for Star Trek 5.
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:46 AM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was just reading the tlhIngan epithets and general invectives on the
> subject of cursing. I read the following epithets
> {petaQ,toDSaH,taHqeq,yIntagh,Qovpatlh} and the invectives (va'/Qu'vatlh,
> ghay'cha', baQa', Hu'tegh, QI'yaH, ghuy'cha')
>
> I didn't see anywhere though,any given meaning or translation of the
> aforementioned epithets/invectives..
>
> does this mean that all these epithets/invectives cannot be translated ?
>
> cpt. qunnoQ
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>> Sex has nothing to do with the single word =
the mechanic utters when he=20
drops his wrench down the silo onto the nuclear warhead, setting off a=20
spark that ignites the leaking hydrogen fuel tank.<br></div>lol ! perfect e=
xample !<br><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:16 AM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'u=
tlh <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Likely the gl=
osses we are given for curses are sufficient to explain appropriate use. An=
y actual meaning the words once had have no relevance.=C2=A0</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Take the English =E2=80=9CF=E2=80=9D word. If it has an actual m=
eaning, it is probably related to the act of having sex, though that has no=
thing to do with the intent of a person who follows it with =E2=80=9Cyou!=
=E2=80=9D, or with the use of it as a general amplifier with =E2=80=9C-ing=
=E2=80=9D added, as in =E2=80=9CThat=E2=80=99s one f-ing big nose you=E2=80=
=99ve got there!=E2=80=9D or the generic =E2=80=9CI don=E2=80=99t like the =
following=E2=80=9D meaning in =E2=80=9CThis f-ing jerk f-ing insulted my mo=
ther=E2=80=99s forehead!=E2=80=9D Sex also has nothing to do with the equiv=
alent of =E2=80=9CThe gig is up!=E2=80=9D statement, =E2=80=9CWe=E2=80=99re=
f-ed.=E2=80=9D</div><div><br></div><div>Sex has nothing to do with the phr=
ase, =E2=80=9CDon=E2=80=99t f with me,=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CDon=E2=80=99t f=
with that lawn mower.=E2=80=9D</div><div><br></div><div>Sex has nothing to=
do with =E2=80=9CThe meter of this poem is all f-ed up=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=
=9CThe tip of this screwdriver is all f-ed up."</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Sex has nothing to do with the single word the mechanic utters when he d=
rops his wrench down the silo onto the nuclear warhead, setting off a spark=
that ignites the leaking hydrogen fuel tank.</div><div><br></div><div>So, =
understanding that the f word refers to the act of having sex won=E2=80=99t=
help you understand most of the ways the word is used. Likely, Klingon cur=
se words are like that.</div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"=
><br><div>
<div><div>lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh</div><div>Door Re=
pair Guy, Retired Honorably</div></div><div><br></div><br>
</div></font></span><div><div class=3D"h5">
<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Nov 8, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Fiat Kn=
ox <<a href=3D"mailto:fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">fiat_knox=
@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div><div style=3D"background-col=
or:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:'Courier New',courier,monaco,monosp=
ace,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span>For all we know, what Klingons co=
nsider curse words could well be acceptable idioms to us.</span></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><b>Hu'tegh</b>=C2=A0could well be how one could describe th=
e discovery of a tribble nursery, and=C2=A0<b>Qovpatlh</b>=C2=A0could well =
be <i>Today is=C2=A0a day of sweet rainbows and fluffy clouds</i>. A <b>toD=
SaH</b>=C2=A0could well be <i>someone who goes out of his way to help other=
s</i>, but we know that a <b>taHqeq</b>'s lies are despicable, which is=
why it is so insulting to call someone that - perhaps <i>nice guy</i>=C2=
=A0could be the translation for that.</div> <br><div><br><br></div><div st=
yle=3D"display:block"> <div style=3D"font-family:Courier New,courier,monaco=
,monospace,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaN=
eue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;font-size:16px"=
> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> On Friday, 6 November =
2015, 18:26, qunnoQ HoD <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"=
_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <blockquote sty=
le=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;p=
adding-left:5px"> <br><br> <div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>=
<div><div><div>interesting information !<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"non=
e"></div>..and since we are on the subject of cursing,I would like to take =
the opportunity and say that my two favorite klingon curses are<br clear=3D=
"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>1. Hab SoSlI' Quch<br clear=3D"none"></=
div>2. verengan Ha'DIbaH<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>alt=
hough I would never say the "your mother has a smooth forehead",b=
ecause I believe that anyone's mother is a sacred figure not to be insu=
lted under any circumstances..<br clear=3D"none"></div>on the other hand th=
ough,the ''ferengi dog'' is one of the most beautiful thing=
s to say to someone who pisses you off ! it is a short phrase,said easily w=
hen angered,and it somehow "flows out'' of your lips.. it can =
also be said either with extreme anger,or with a slow,nearly silent contemp=
tuous voice. it's perfect !<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
cpt qunnoQ<br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"><div><div>On Fri=
, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:38 PM, nIqolay Q <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollo=
w" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">niqo=
lay0@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><blockquote style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div>If I recall correctly, most of the Klingon curses are just gibbe=
rish from the shows, especially the epithets, and MO just transliterated th=
em into Klingon spelling. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">There's=
been a few attempts at "folk etymologies" for the curse words, b=
ased on similar-sounding words, but nothing definitely authoritative. Maltz=
thinks the word {taHqeq} is related to the expression {bItaHrup'a'=
} "Do you want to continue?", which is used defiantly before esca=
lating an argument to the next level (punches or curse warfare). And I thin=
k one of the footnotes in paq'batlh suggests that {petaQ} is derived fr=
om {petaQ} meaning "you (plural) be weird!", though I think that =
footnote was not written by Okrand himself. I think there may also be some =
reluctance on Okrand's part to get too deep into the R-rated language, =
so there's no definite association to actual objectionable topics.<br c=
lear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>For the most part I think you can ju=
st translate the curse words to the nearest equivalent in the given languag=
e based on the context it's been used in before. {petaQ}, for instance,=
seems to be roughly equivalent to "asshole, dumbass, bastard", a=
nd I think {ghuy'} was translated as "Damn!" in a line writte=
n for Star Trek 5.<br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"><div><di=
v><div>On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:46 AM, qunnoQ HoD <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a=
rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div=
></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>I was just r=
eading the tlhIngan epithets and general invectives on the subject of cursi=
ng. I read the following epithets {petaQ,toDSaH,taHqeq,yIntagh,Qovpatlh} an=
d the invectives (va'/Qu'vatlh, ghay'cha', baQa', Hu=
9;tegh, QI'yaH, ghuy'cha')<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"=
></div>I didn't see anywhere though,any given meaning or translation of=
the aforementioned epithets/invectives..<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"no=
ne"></div>does this mean that all these epithets/invectives cannot be trans=
lated ?<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>cpt. qunnoQ<br clear=3D"=
none"></div></div>
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