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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] tlhIngan cursing
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Fri Nov 6 12:39:11 2015
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 12:38:54 -0500
From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
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If I recall correctly, most of the Klingon curses are just gibberish from
the shows, especially the epithets, and MO just transliterated them into
Klingon spelling.
There's been a few attempts at "folk etymologies" for the curse words,
based on similar-sounding words, but nothing definitely authoritative.
Maltz thinks the word {taHqeq} is related to the expression {bItaHrup'a'}
"Do you want to continue?", which is used defiantly before escalating an
argument to the next level (punches or curse warfare). And I think one of
the footnotes in paq'batlh suggests that {petaQ} is derived from {petaQ}
meaning "you (plural) be weird!", though I think that footnote was not
written by Okrand himself. I think there may also be some reluctance on
Okrand's part to get too deep into the R-rated language, so there's no
definite association to actual objectionable topics.
For the most part I think you can just translate the curse words to the
nearest equivalent in the given language based on the context it's been
used in before. {petaQ}, for instance, seems to be roughly equivalent to
"asshole, dumbass, bastard", and I think {ghuy'} was translated as "Damn!"
in a line written for Star Trek 5.
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:46 AM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was just reading the tlhIngan epithets and general invectives on the
> subject of cursing. I read the following epithets
> {petaQ,toDSaH,taHqeq,yIntagh,Qovpatlh} and the invectives (va'/Qu'vatlh,
> ghay'cha', baQa', Hu'tegh, QI'yaH, ghuy'cha')
>
> I didn't see anywhere though,any given meaning or translation of the
> aforementioned epithets/invectives..
>
> does this mean that all these epithets/invectives cannot be translated ?
>
> cpt. qunnoQ
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>If I recall correctly, most of the Klingon curses are=
just gibberish from the shows, especially the epithets, and MO just transl=
iterated them into Klingon spelling. <br><br>There's been a few attempt=
s at "folk etymologies" for the curse words, based on similar-sou=
nding words, but nothing definitely authoritative. Maltz thinks the word {t=
aHqeq} is related to the expression {bItaHrup'a'} "Do you want=
to continue?", which is used defiantly before escalating an argument =
to the next level (punches or curse warfare). And I think one of the footno=
tes in paq'batlh suggests that {petaQ} is derived from {petaQ} meaning =
"you (plural) be weird!", though I think that footnote was not wr=
itten by Okrand himself. I think there may also be some reluctance on Okran=
d's part to get too deep into the R-rated language, so there's no d=
efinite association to actual objectionable topics.<br><br></div>For the mo=
st part I think you can just translate the curse words to the nearest equiv=
alent in the given language based on the context it's been used in befo=
re. {petaQ}, for instance, seems to be roughly equivalent to "asshole,=
dumbass, bastard", and I think {ghuy'} was translated as "Da=
mn!" in a line written for Star Trek 5.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_e=
xtra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:46 AM, qunno=
Q HoD <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"=
_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>I was just reading the tlhIngan=
epithets and general invectives on the subject of cursing. I read the foll=
owing epithets {petaQ,toDSaH,taHqeq,yIntagh,Qovpatlh} and the invectives (v=
a'/Qu'vatlh, ghay'cha', baQa', Hu'tegh, QI'yaH,=
ghuy'cha')<br><br></div>I didn't see anywhere though,any given=
meaning or translation of the aforementioned epithets/invectives..<br><br>=
</div>does this mean that all these epithets/invectives cannot be translate=
d ?<br><br></div>cpt. qunnoQ<br></div></div>
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