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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] tlhlIngan veS qeS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Fri Nov 6 09:14:23 2015
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 16:14:07 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
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ok,I understand now. thank you !
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:54 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
> De'vID:
> >> But in Klingon, {-chugh} is truly a condition.
>
> qunnoQ:
> > what is a condition ? (in grammar)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_sentence
>
> Klingon {-chugh} expresses "if" only in the sense of introducing a
> condition. It does not overlap with the ability of the English "if" to
> also present alternatives (i.e., the sense of "if" in which it can be
> replaced by "whether").
>
> If you can replace "if" with "whether" and end up with a sensible
> sentence, then {-chugh} is probably not what you want.
>
> "Tell me if the book is written in Klingon." -> "Tell me whether the
> book is written in Klingon." (This makes sense, and "if" here is
> acting like "whether", so don't use {-chugh}.)
>
> "I will buy the book if it is written in Klingon." -> "I will buy the
> book whether it is written in Klingon." (This doesn't make sense. At
> least you'd have to add "or not", but then it becomes a sentence with
> a different meaning. So {-chugh} can be used for this sense of "if",
> because it is acting like a conditional here.)
>
> --
> De'vID
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">ok,I understand now. thank you !<br></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:54 PM, D=
e'vID <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">De'vID:<br>
<span class=3D"">>> But in Klingon, {-chugh} is truly a condition.<br=
>
<br>
</span>qunnoQ:<br>
<span class=3D"">> what is a condition ? (in grammar)<br>
<br>
</span><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_sentence" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional=
_sentence</a><br>
<br>
Klingon {-chugh} expresses "if" only in the sense of introducing =
a<br>
condition. It does not overlap with the ability of the English "if&quo=
t; to<br>
also present alternatives (i.e., the sense of "if" in which it ca=
n be<br>
replaced by "whether").<br>
<br>
If you can replace "if" with "whether" and end up with =
a sensible<br>
sentence, then {-chugh} is probably not what you want.<br>
<br>
"Tell me if the book is written in Klingon." -> "Tell me =
whether the<br>
book is written in Klingon." (This makes sense, and "if" her=
e is<br>
acting like "whether", so don't use {-chugh}.)<br>
<br>
"I will buy the book if it is written in Klingon." -> "I =
will buy the<br>
book whether it is written in Klingon." (This doesn't make sense. =
At<br>
least you'd have to add "or not", but then it becomes a sente=
nce with<br>
a different meaning. So {-chugh} can be used for this sense of "if&quo=
t;,<br>
because it is acting like a conditional here.)<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
De'vID<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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