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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] The sleeping dog
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Thu Nov 5 10:22:55 2015
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>, "tlhingan-hol@kli.org"
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:22:37 +0000
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An illustration of the difference between {ghIq] and {ngugh}:
{jISop. ghIq jIQong.}
=3D "I eat. Then I sleep."
This specifies that first I eat, and then I sleep. In a way, {ghIq} could b=
e translated as "immediately afterwards".
{wa'leS SaghomlaHbe'. ngugh jIvumnIS.}
=3D "I can't meet y'all tomorrow. I'll need to work then."
{cha'leS qatlh bIDach?]
{ngugh jIrop.}
=3D "Why were you absent yesterday?
"I was sick then."
To put it another way: {ngugh} is the time equivalent of {pa'} ("there").
nuqDaq? pa'! ("Where? There?")
ghorgh? ngugh! ("When? Then!")
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From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 16:11
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] The sleeping dog
> Note that Klingon has two words for "then": {ghIq} (subsequently) > and {=
ngugh} (at that time). Did you use the one you meant?
this may sound strange,but in greek one would use the exact same word for <=
<subsequently>> and <<at that time>> too. So as strange as this may sound, =
i can't answer your question ! in my mind both <<subsequently>> and <<at th=
at time>> are identical..
this is very interesting indeed. people from different countries learning t=
he same language,still perceiving it differently due to their own native li=
nguistic backgrounds !
thank you all very much,for taking the time to reply. i will study your com=
ments/observations very carefully,and try to improve.
cpt. qunnoQ
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com<mailto:q=
eslagh@hotmail.com>> wrote:
ghItlhpu' qunnoQ, jatlh:
> {ngugh,ghab tun gho tut,HaDIbaH,vIchuH 'ej toD'egh} then i threw the saus=
age
> at the dog and i saved myself.
Watch your spelling: the word for "meat" is {Ha'DIbaH}, with the qaghwI' (a=
postrophe) at the end of the first syllable.
jang De'vID, jatlh:
> I think once you have established {ghab tun gho tut}, you can refer to
> it later in that context as simply {tut} if it is unambiguous. But
> that's a matter of style.
Agreed, though stylistically I'd have referred to it rather as {Ha'DIbaH} f=
rom there on out. In this context the fact that it's a chunk of meat is pro=
bably more important to the narrative than the fact that it's columnar in s=
hape.
qunnoQ, lutlIj DaQIjtaHvIS vIyajlaH je jIH. majQa'!
QeS 'utlh
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<p>An illustration of the difference between {ghIq] and {ngugh}:<br>
<br>
{jISop. ghIq jIQong.}</p>
<p>=3D "I eat. Then I sleep."</p>
<p><br>
This specifies that first I eat, and then I sleep. In a way, {ghIq} could b=
e translated as "immediately afterwards".<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>{wa'leS SaghomlaHbe'. ngugh jIvumnIS.}<br>
=3D "I can't meet y'all tomorrow. I'll need to work then."<=
/p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>{cha'leS qatlh bIDach?]</p>
<p>{ngugh jIrop.}</p>
<p>=3D "Why were you absent yesterday?</p>
<p>"I was sick then."</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>To put it another way: {ngugh} is the time equivalent of {pa'} ("th=
ere").</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>nuqDaq? pa'! ("Where? There?")</p>
<p>ghorgh? ngugh! ("When? Then!")</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 5, 2015 16:11<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] The sleeping dog</font>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">> Note that Klingon has two words for "then":=
{ghIq} (subsequently) > and {ngugh} (at that time). Did you use the one=
you meant?<br>
<br>
this may sound strange,but in greek one would use the exact same word for &=
lt;<subsequently>> and <<at that time>> too. So as str=
ange as this may sound, i can't answer your question ! in my mind both <=
<subsequently>> and <<at that time>> are identical..<b=
r>
this is very interesting indeed. people from different countries learning t=
he same language,still perceiving it differently due to their own native li=
nguistic backgrounds !<br>
<br>
thank you all very much,for taking the time to reply. i will study your com=
ments/observations very carefully,and try to improve.<br>
<br>
cpt. qunnoQ<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Rohan Fenwick <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">
<<a href=3D"mailto:qeslagh@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">qeslagh@hotmai=
l.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">ghItlhpu' qunnoQ, jatlh:<span class=3D""><br>
> {ngugh,ghab tun gho tut,HaDIbaH,vIchuH 'ej toD'egh} then i threw the s=
ausage<br>
</span>
<div><span class=3D"">> at the dog and i saved myself.<br>
<br>
</span>Watch your spelling: the word for "meat" is {Ha'DIbaH}, wi=
th the qaghwI' (apostrophe) at the end of the first syllable.<br>
<br>
jang De'vID, jatlh:<span class=3D""><br>
> I think once you have established {ghab tun gho tut}, you can refer to=
<br>
> it later in that context as simply {tut} if it is unambiguous. But<br>
> that's a matter of style.<br>
<br>
</span>Agreed, though stylistically I'd have referred to it rather as {Ha'D=
IbaH} from there on out. In this context the fact that it's a chunk of meat=
is probably more important to the narrative than the fact that it's column=
ar in shape.<br>
<br>
qunnoQ, lutlIj DaQIjtaHvIS vIyajlaH je jIH. majQa'!<br>
<br>
QeS 'utlh<br>
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