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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Concerning the {'e'} topic suffix
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Wed Nov 4 13:29:12 2015
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:28:35 -0500
To: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Cc: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 1:11 PM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> having just finished studying the pronouns,along with the {'e'} topic
> suffix,I can't help but wonder the following..
>
> lets take these two examples,along with their given translations :
>
Think of these as being translated:
>
> puqpu' chaH qama'pu"e' The prisoners are children.
>
As for the prisoners, they are children.
> pa'DajDaq ghaHtaH la"e' The commander is in his quarters.
>
>
As for the commander, he is in his quarters.
> As i understood the {'e'} means <<that>> ; so the above translations
> should be
>
>
That meaning would be what {-bogh} is used for. {-'e'} means more "as for
X", or "considering X". {-'e'} marks the topic of the sentence
> the prisoners that are children (implying that there are prisoners too,who
> aren't children)
> the commander that is in his quarters (implying that there is another
> commander as well,who isn't in his quarters)
>
These translations require {-bogh}
puqpu' chaHbogh qama'pu''e' - the prisoners that are children
pa'DajDaq ghaHtaHbogh la''e' - the commander that is in his quarters.
qurgh
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On W=
ed, Nov 4, 2015 at 1:11 PM, qunnoQ HoD <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mai=
lto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> w=
rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><di=
v><div><div><div><div>having just finished studying the pronouns,along with=
the {'e'} topic suffix,I can't help but wonder the following..=
<br><br></div>lets take these two examples,along with their given translati=
ons :<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>=
<br></div><div>Think of these as being translated:</div><div>=C2=A0</div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div=
><div><br>puqpu' chaH qama'pu"e' The prisoners are childre=
n.<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br=
></div><div>As for the prisoners, they are children.</div><div>=C2=A0</div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><d=
iv><div>pa'DajDaq ghaHtaH la"e' The commander is in his quarte=
rs.<br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><di=
v><br></div><div>As for the commander, he is in his quarters.</div><div><br=
></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v><div><div><div><div><div><div></div>As i understood the {'e'} mea=
ns <<that>> ; so the above translations should be <br><br></div=
></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That =
meaning would be what {-bogh} is used for. {-'e'} means more "=
as for X", or "considering X". {-'e'} marks the topi=
c of the sentence</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div></div>the prisone=
rs that are children (implying that there are prisoners too,who aren't =
children)<br></div>the commander that is in his quarters (implying that the=
re is another commander as well,who isn't in his quarters)<br></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>These translations re=
quire {-bogh}</div><div><br></div><div>puqpu' chaHbogh qama'pu'=
'e' - the prisoners that are children</div><div>pa'DajDaq ghaHt=
aHbogh la''e' - the commander that is in his quarters.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>qurgh</div></div><br></div></div>
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