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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Multiple Adverbials (was Re: Piraha)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Tue Nov 3 08:10:49 2015
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:10:32 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
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this may be like an tiny/insignificant volkswagen beetle,trying to take
part at a ferrari/lamborghini exhibition, but still I would like to ask why
we said
{vagh rep ret} instead of {vagh repmey ret}..
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:33 AM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 11/2/2015 3:29 PM, Lieven wrote:
>
>> As far as I know, and you certainly agree, there are different kinds of
>> adverbials: Some of them tell WHEN something happens, some tell HOW
>> something happens.
>>
>> I believe that Okrand did not think of classifying them like that - to
>> keep TKD short - so it's still possible that these must have some kind
>> of order (this need to be verified and proven).
>>
>> My theory is that adverbs of the same type cannot occur on the same time:
>> {DaH tugh maSop} makes no sense
>> {DaH nom maSop} does make sense
>>
>
> What you're describing is a semantic difference, and there may or may not
> be merit to it. TKD, however, describes only the syntactic function of
> certain types of {chuvmey}.
>
> The question boils down to: can you put multiple words in front of the OVS
> sentence that are not nouns or verbs? Answer: yes, if we believe the
> {paq'batlh} is not taking artistic license.
>
> Are we restricted as to what those words mean? That's a question of
> semantics. There are certainly combinations that don't make sense, but you
> can't outright declare them ungrammatical. Colorless green ideas sleep
> furiously, and all that.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>this may be like an tiny/insignificant volkswagen beet=
le,trying to take part at a ferrari/lamborghini exhibition, but still I wou=
ld like to ask why we said <br>{vagh rep ret} instead of {vagh repmey ret}.=
.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue=
, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:33 AM, SuStel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:s=
ustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>></span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On 11/2/2015 3:29=
PM, Lieven wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
As far as I know, and you certainly agree, there are different kinds of<br>
adverbials: Some of them tell WHEN something happens, some tell HOW<br>
something happens.<br>
<br>
I believe that Okrand did not think of classifying them like that - to<br>
keep TKD short - so it's still possible that these must have some kind<=
br>
of order (this need to be verified and proven).<br>
<br>
My theory is that adverbs of the same type cannot occur on the same time:<b=
r>
{DaH tugh maSop} makes no sense<br>
{DaH nom maSop} does make sense<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
What you're describing is a semantic difference, and there may or may n=
ot be merit to it. TKD, however, describes only the syntactic function of c=
ertain types of {chuvmey}.<br>
<br>
The question boils down to: can you put multiple words in front of the OVS =
sentence that are not nouns or verbs? Answer: yes, if we believe the {paq&#=
39;batlh} is not taking artistic license.<br>
<br>
Are we restricted as to what those words mean? That's a question of sem=
antics. There are certainly combinations that don't make sense, but you=
can't outright declare them ungrammatical. Colorless green ideas sleep=
furiously, and all that.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br=
>
<br>
-- <br>
SuStel<br>
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http://www.trimboli.name/</a></font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=
=3D"h5"><br>
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