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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] thIngan Hol yejHaD Degh qun
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh)
Sat Oct 31 17:14:05 2015
From: lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 17:13:49 -0400
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lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh
Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:15 AM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Qo=E2=80=99. tlhIngan Hol=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 bopbe=E2=80=99. =
tlhIngan Hol yejHaD Degh neH bop. yImugh SoH =E2=80=98ej bIQaghchugh =
nIQaH latlhpu=E2=80=99
> no. this does not concern the klingon language. it concerns the KLI =
symbol. you must translate it,and if you make mistakes they will help =
you another one (?).=20
You almost made it, right out to the end. The last sentence should be: =
=E2=80=9CTranslate it, and if you err, others will help you.=E2=80=9D
The imperative prefix is not the same thing as the {-nIS} verb suffix, =
which is what you treated it as, and you mixed up the word order at the =
very end. None of this is to suggest that you are not doing remarkably =
well for someone who hasn=E2=80=99t been doing this for years.
> actually i started translating it,but i got lost along the way. here =
is what happened..
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> > qen ghel qunnoQ HoD
> qunnoQ HoD recently asked
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> > jatlh =C2=ABghorgh chen tlhIngan Hol yejHaD Degh 'ej chenmoH 'Iv?=C2=BB=
> he said when was the KLI logo created and who created it ?
It would make more sense with punctuation:
He said, =E2=80=9CWhen was the KLI logo created, and who created it?"
> > jIjanglaH HolQeD veywIj vInuD.
> to be able to reply i examined and farmed my HolQeD package (?!?!?!) =
(i laughed so hard that tears came out of my eyes..)
I can answer. I examined my set of HolQeD.
I=E2=80=99m suspecting she might have intended to say:
jIjanglaHmeH HolQeD veywIj vInuD.
In order that I could answer, I examined my set of HolQeD.
> > De=E2=80=99 vISamta=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98a tlhIngan Hol=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99=
bopbe=E2=80=99mo=E2=80=99 vImuchmeH tlhIngan Hol vIlo=E2=80=99.
> when i accomplished finding the information,however because it does =
not concern the klingon language,i presented them the klingon language
I accomplished seeking and retrieving the information, but because it =
did not concern the Klingon language, I used Klingon language in order =
to present it.
[There=E2=80=99s an etiquette issue here. This email list is for things =
involving the Klingon language or using the Klingon language. She felt =
she would wander from this mission if she were to present it in =
English.]
> > tera=E2=80=99 DIS wa=E2=80=99SaD Hutvatlh HutmaH jav qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=
=99Daq Degh chu=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98ang =E2=80=98angghal.
> earth years one thousand nine hundred nine ten (i guess 1990) at the =
sixth qep'a' the new symbol was newly jealously revealed =20
{HutmaH} or {Hut maH} is =E2=80=9Cninety=E2=80=9D. So, {tera=E2=80=99 =
DIS wa=E2=80=99SaD Hutvatlh HutmaH jav} is "Earth year 1996=E2=80=9D. If =
she wanted to say, =E2=80=9Cat the sixth eep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99=E2=80=9D, =
she would have said {qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 javDIchDaq}.
{=E2=80=98angghal} is one of several names Lawrence Schoen has used over =
the years. Jealousy has nothing to do with it. =E2=80=9C{=E2=80=98angghal}=
presented the new symbol."
> > chenmoH Dave Schaeffer=20
> Dave Schaeffer created it (now i understand how the past tense is made =
clear from the context)
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> > qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 jeyDaq Degh Deq lo=E2=80=99lu=E2=80=99, vaj =
qaStaHvIS qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 much SeQ ta=E2=80=99law=E2=80=99 =
=E2=80=98angghal.
> at that qep'a the prior symbol was defeated, so it was occuring to =
happen at the qep'a' formal presentation by many was accomplished to be =
jealously revealed (i feel like an idiot)
{jey} is =E2=80=9Citinerary=E2=80=9D. So, =E2=80=9CIn the qep=E2=80=99a=E2=
=80=99 itinerary, the erstwhile symbol was used, thus while the =
qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 happened, =E2=80=98angghal apparently =
accomplished the formal presentation.
> > vIqawbe=E2=80=99
> i do not remember it/them
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> > chaq ngugh maHvaD Degh cha=E2=80=99bogh HumwI=E2=80=99mey lunoblu=E2=80=
=99 je.
> perhaps at that time for us the symbol which was displayed was made =
sticky they gave it also
Perhaps then the stickers which presented the symbol were also given to =
us.
[I will confess that I had to parse this one a few times before it made =
sense. It=E2=80=99s not a simple sentence.] {HumwI=E2=80=99} is =
something which is sticky. It=E2=80=99s a noun, not a verb.
> > QonoSwIj tIQDaq Deghmey Sar lulo=E2=80=99pu=E2=80=99bogh vImuch.
> my journal one of the various ancient symbols which they used and they =
presented.
In my ancient journal, I present the various symbols which had been =
used.
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> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:59 PM, <qov@kli.org <mailto:qov@kli.org>> =
wrote:
> > Could you please write this in english too ?
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> =20
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> Qo=E2=80=99. tlhIngan Hol=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 bopbe=E2=80=99. tlhIngan =
Hol yejHaD Degh neH bop. yImugh SoH =E2=80=98ej bIQaghchugh nIQaH =
latlhpu=E2=80=99.
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> SKI: Nope.
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> Qov =E2=80=98utlh
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">Comments below:</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">
<div class=3D""><div class=3D"">lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =
=E2=80=98utlh</div><div class=3D"">Door Repair Guy, Retired =
Honorably</div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:15 AM, qunnoQ HoD <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class=3D"">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"im">> <span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)" =
class=3D"">Qo=E2=80=99. tlhIngan Hol=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 bopbe=E2=80=99=
. tlhIngan Hol yejHaD Degh neH bop. yImugh SoH =E2=80=98ej =
bIQaghchugh nIQaH latlhpu=E2=80=99<br class=3D""></span></span>no.
this does not concern the klingon language. it concerns the KLI symbol.
you must translate it,and if you make mistakes they will help you=20
another one (?).<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)" =
class=3D""></span><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=3D""> <br =
class=3D""></span></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>You almost made it, right out to the end. The last =
sentence should be: =E2=80=9CTranslate it, and if you err, others will =
help you.=E2=80=9D</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>The imperative =
prefix is not the same thing as the {-nIS} verb suffix, which is what =
you treated it as, and you mixed up the word order at the very end. None =
of this is to suggest that you are not doing remarkably well for someone =
who hasn=E2=80=99t been doing this for years.</div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">actually i started translating it,but i got lost along the =
way. here is what happened..<br class=3D""></div><span =
style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">> </span><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">qen ghel qunnoQ HoD<br =
class=3D""></font></span></div><div class=3D"">qunnoQ HoD recently =
asked<span class=3D"im"><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">> =
</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" =
class=3D"">jatlh =C2=ABghorgh chen tlhIngan Hol yejHaD Degh 'ej chenmoH =
'Iv?=C2=BB<br class=3D""></font></span></span></div><div class=3D"">he =
said when was the KLI logo created and who created it ?<span =
lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></font></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>It would make more sense with =
punctuation:</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>He said, =E2=80=9CWhen =
was the KLI logo created, and who created it?"</div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">> =
</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" =
class=3D"">jIjanglaH HolQeD veywIj vInuD.<br class=3D""></font></span>to =
be able to reply i examined and farmed my HolQeD package (?!?!?!) (i =
laughed so hard that tears came out of my eyes..)<span class=3D"im"><br =
class=3D""></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>I can answer. I examined my set of =
HolQeD.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>I=E2=80=99m suspecting she =
might have intended to say:</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>jIjanglaHmeH HolQeD veywIj vInuD.</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>In order that I could answer, I examined my set of =
HolQeD.</div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"im">> <span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""> =
<font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">De=E2=80=99 vISamta=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98a =
tlhIngan Hol=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 bopbe=E2=80=99mo=E2=80=99</font></span><sp=
an lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""> <font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">vImuchmeH =
tlh</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" =
class=3D"">I</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">ngan Hol vIlo=E2=80=99.<br =
class=3D""></font></span></span></div><div class=3D"">when
i accomplished finding the information,however because it does not=20
concern the klingon language,i presented them the klingon language<span =
class=3D"im"><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" =
class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></font></span></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>=
<br class=3D""></div><div>I accomplished seeking and retrieving the =
information, but because it did not concern the Klingon language, I used =
Klingon language in order to present it.</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>[There=E2=80=99s an etiquette issue here. This =
email list is for things involving the Klingon language or using the =
Klingon language. She felt she would wander from this mission if she =
were to present it in English.]</div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><span class=3D"im"><span =
lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">> =
</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" =
class=3D"">tera=E2=80=99 DIS wa=E2=80=99SaD Hutvatlh =
HutmaH</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""> <font =
face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">jav qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99Daq</font></span><sp=
an lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""> <font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">Degh =
chu=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98ang =E2=80=98angghal.<br =
class=3D""></font></span></span></div><div class=3D"">earth years one =
thousand nine hundred nine ten (i guess 1990) at the sixth qep'a' the =
new symbol was newly jealously revealed<span lang=3D"en-ca" =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""> <br =
class=3D""></font></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>{HutmaH} or {Hut maH} is =E2=80=9Cninety=E2=80=9D. =
So, {tera=E2=80=99 DIS wa=E2=80=99SaD Hutvatlh HutmaH jav} is "Earth =
year 1996=E2=80=9D. If she wanted to say, =E2=80=9Cat the sixth =
eep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99=E2=80=9D, she would have said {qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99=
javDIchDaq}.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>{=E2=80=98angghal} is =
one of several names Lawrence Schoen has used over the years. Jealousy =
has nothing to do with it. =E2=80=9C{=E2=80=98angghal} presented the new =
symbol."</div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" =
class=3D"">> </font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">chenmoH Dave Scha</font></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">effer <br =
class=3D""></font></span></div><div class=3D"">Dave Schaeffer created it =
(now i understand how the past tense is made clear from the =
context)<span class=3D"im"><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">> =
</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""> <font face=3D"Calibri" =
class=3D"">qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 jeyDaq Degh Deq =
lo=E2=80=99lu=E2=80=99</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">, vaj qaStaHvIS qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 much =
SeQ ta=E2=80=99law=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98ang</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"=
class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">ghal.<br =
class=3D""></font></span></span></div><div class=3D"">at
that qep'a the prior symbol was defeated, so it was occuring to happen=20=
at the qep'a' formal presentation by many was accomplished to be=20
jealously revealed<span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" =
class=3D""> </font></span>(i feel like an idiot)<span lang=3D"en-ca" =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></font></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br =
class=3D""><div>{jey} is =E2=80=9Citinerary=E2=80=9D. So, =E2=80=9CIn =
the qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 itinerary, the erstwhile symbol was used, =
thus while the qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 happened, =E2=80=98angghal =
apparently accomplished the formal presentation.</div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">> =
</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" =
class=3D"">vIqawbe=E2=80=99<br class=3D""></font></span></div><div =
class=3D"">i do not remember it/them<span class=3D"im"><span =
lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">> </font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">chaq =
ngugh</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""> <font face=3D"Calibri"=
class=3D"">maHvaD Degh cha=E2=80=99bogh</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"=
class=3D""> <font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">Hu</font></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">mwI=E2=80=99me=
y lunoblu=E2=80=99</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""> je.<br =
class=3D""></font></span></span></div><div class=3D"">perhaps at that =
time for us the symbol which was displayed was made sticky they gave it =
also<span class=3D"im"><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></font></span></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>=
<br class=3D""></div><div>Perhaps then the stickers which presented the =
symbol were also given to us.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>[I =
will confess that I had to parse this one a few times before it made =
sense. It=E2=80=99s not a simple sentence.] {HumwI=E2=80=99} is =
something which is sticky. It=E2=80=99s a noun, not a verb.</div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"im"><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" =
class=3D"">> </font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">QonoSwIj tIQDaq Deghmey Sar =
lulo=E2=80=99</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">pu=E2=80=99</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca" =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">b</font></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca" class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">ogh =
vImuch.<br class=3D""></font></span></span></div><div class=3D"">my =
journal one of the various ancient symbols which they used and they =
presented.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div><div>In=
my ancient journal, I present the various symbols which had been =
used.</div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, =
Oct 30, 2015 at 10:59 PM, <span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><<a =
href=3D"mailto:qov@kli.org" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">qov@kli.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-CA"=
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1f497d" class=3D"">> C</span>ould you please write this =
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class=3D"">Qo=E2=80=99. tlhIngan Hol=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 bopbe=E2=80=99=
. tlhIngan Hol yejHaD Degh neH bop. yImugh SoH =E2=80=98ej =
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style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
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style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
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style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1f497d" class=3D"">Qov =E2=80=98utlh<u class=3D""></u><u =
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style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
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