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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Piraha
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Sat Oct 31 16:35:23 2015
From: lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 16:35:06 -0400
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Many Klingonists are also computer programmers. Recursion means =
something quite different to them, though I can see the relationship. In =
software, recursion means that you take the output from a block of code =
(instructions) and use it for input for that same block of code. Fractal =
graphics, which were all the rage a decade or so ago are the result of =
recursive functions. Encryption algorithms heavily rely on recursive =
functions.
In Klingon, the guideline is simple: One main verb. Maybe use a =
conjunction to come up with two main verbs, though that=E2=80=99s really =
two sentences stuck together.
[Apologies in advance to qunnoQ HoD)
In English, you can write a very long, run-on sentence without really =
using a conjunction because there are so many different varieties of =
helper words that can tie yet another major idea on to the stream that =
you have already started and such a wide variety of types of dependent =
clauses, without the restriction of the brief list of Type 9 verb =
suffixes in Klingon, plus there definitely is absolutely no question as =
to whether or not it is proper to use multiple adverbs applied to a =
single verb, plus the ability to apply suitably appropriate adverbs to =
adjectives (a construction that doesn=E2=80=99t exist in Klingon), and =
you can use many descriptive, colorful, situationally specific =
adjectives to describe each noun without any abnormal sense of =
complication, unlike in Klingon where we tend to think we can=E2=80=99t =
use two adverbs for a single verb, and if we have two adjectives, we =
should use at least one of them as a relative clause, just to avoid =
stringing them along, confusing people, since sometimes in Klingon a =
word might be ambiguous as to whether it is a noun or verb, unless it =
has an affix that would identify it as such, and that ambiguity could be =
particularly confusing in a long string of root words in a phrase.
In Klingon, even if we had the vocabulary to say that last run-on =
sentence, we=E2=80=99d be wise to break it down into many sentences. I =
also agree with qunnoQ that it=E2=80=99s similarly wise to do so in =
English. Just because I can do it, doesn=E2=80=99t make it a good =
idea...
lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh
Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:09 PM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> > See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language =
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language>
>=20
> ok.I just saw it ! and this article makes reference too,to the name of =
the attribute the documentary was talking about. It is called recursion =
!
>=20
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Anthony Appleyard =
<a.appleyard@btinternet.com <mailto:a.appleyard@btinternet.com>> wrote:
> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language =
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language>
> ----Original message----
> =46rom : mihkoun@gmail.com <mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com>
> Date : 31/10/2015 - 18:40 (GMTST)
> To : tlhingan-hol@kli.org <mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
> Subject : [Tlhingan-hol] Piraha
> ...
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>=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Many Klingonists are also computer =
programmers. Recursion means something quite different to them, though I =
can see the relationship. In software, recursion means that you take the =
output from a block of code (instructions) and use it for input for that =
same block of code. Fractal graphics, which were all the rage a decade =
or so ago are the result of recursive functions. Encryption algorithms =
heavily rely on recursive functions.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">In Klingon, the guideline is simple: =
One main verb. Maybe use a conjunction to come up with two main verbs, =
though that=E2=80=99s really two sentences stuck together.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">[Apologies in advance to =
qunnoQ HoD)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">In =
English, you can write a very long, run-on sentence without really using =
a conjunction because there are so many different varieties of helper =
words that can tie yet another major idea on to the stream that you have =
already started and such a wide variety of types of dependent clauses, =
without the restriction of the brief list of Type 9 verb suffixes in =
Klingon, plus there definitely is absolutely no question as to whether =
or not it is proper to use multiple adverbs applied to a single verb, =
plus the ability to apply suitably appropriate adverbs to adjectives (a =
construction that doesn=E2=80=99t exist in Klingon), and you can use =
many descriptive, colorful, situationally specific adjectives to =
describe each noun without any abnormal sense of complication, unlike in =
Klingon where we tend to think we can=E2=80=99t use two adverbs for a =
single verb, and if we have two adjectives, we should use at least one =
of them as a relative clause, just to avoid stringing them along, =
confusing people, since sometimes in Klingon a word might be ambiguous =
as to whether it is a noun or verb, unless it has an affix that would =
identify it as such, and that ambiguity could be particularly confusing =
in a long string of root words in a phrase.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">In Klingon, even if we had the =
vocabulary to say that last run-on sentence, we=E2=80=99d be wise to =
break it down into many sentences. I also agree with qunnoQ that it=E2=80=99=
s similarly wise to do so in English. Just because I can do it, =
doesn=E2=80=99t make it a good idea...</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">
<div class=3D""><div class=3D"">lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =
=E2=80=98utlh</div><div class=3D"">Door Repair Guy, Retired =
Honorably</div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
</div>
<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:09 PM, qunnoQ HoD <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class=3D"">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">> See <a =
href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language" =
target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language</a><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>ok.I just saw it ! and this article =
makes reference too,to the name of the attribute the documentary was =
talking about. It is called recursion !<br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, =
Oct 31, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Anthony Appleyard <span dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><<a href=3D"mailto:a.appleyard@btinternet.com" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">a.appleyard@btinternet.com</a>></span> =
wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">See <a =
href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language" =
target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language</a><br =
class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin-right:0px;margin-left:15px" =
class=3D"">----Original message----<br class=3D"">=46rom : <a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">mihkoun@gmail.com</a><br class=3D"">Date : 31/10/2015 - 18:40 =
(GMTST)<br class=3D"">To : <a href=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br =
class=3D"">Subject : [Tlhingan-hol] Piraha<br class=3D"">...<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><div class=3D""><br =
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