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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Piraha
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Sat Oct 31 16:01:01 2015
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 22:00:44 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
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> You may notice that even in English such sentences can get confusing and
rambling.
yes indeed ; I find the ability to expand a sentence indefinitely,totally
unnecessary. although all earth languages (as described in the documentary)
may have this attribute (I can't remember the exact term), I think that it
is confusing for someone to hear a very very loooong sentence.
> Any time you find yourself unable to figure out how to include some
clause in a Klingon sentence, you are probably better off breaking the idea
into two sentences.
I like this so much,that I'm going to add it to a list I recently created ;
I named it "tlhIngan Hol pearls" and I write there all the good
suggestions/ideas/clarifications I read here. thank you !
> English run-on sentences
what is a run-on sentence ?
> There's a chance they might not get very far before the sentence would be
ended for them (if you know what I mean).
that is the case indeed.. even I who am not a Klingon,loose my patience
when someone talks in a single sentence without stopping. it drives me
crazy.
qunnoQ
On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 9:02 PM, David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com> wrote:
> You may notice that even in English such sentences can get confusing and
> rambling. In both English and Klingon it is much clearer to use short
> direct sentences and just use many of them. However, in English very short
> sentences sound abrupt and dull. In English we often try to go for a more
> medium length with closely related concepts together in one sentence, but
> breaking things into a separate sentence as they get further from the point
> of that sentence. Some people may even think less of the intelligence of a
> person who uses only short sentences. However, Klingons are, by
> nature, more direct and they prefer short clear sentences. Any time you
> find yourself unable to figure out how to include some clause in a Klingon
> sentence, you are probably better off breaking the idea into two sentences.
>
>
>
> That being said, many of the same tools that exist for English run-on
> sentences also exist to create Klingon run-on sentences. First and
> foremost being the sentence conjunctions ('ej, 'ach, pagh, qoj), but also
> everything in section 6.2 of TKD. To answer your question directly, there
> is no actual limit to Klingon sentence length and someone could expand a
> sentence indefinitely if they so chose. However, they would probably
> sacrifice a lot of clarity and any Klingons listening to them would
> probably quickly come to suspect that the person was trying to hide
> something from them. There's a chance they might not get very far before
> the sentence would be ended for them (if you know what I mean).
>
>
> janSIy
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 31, 2015 1:40 PM
> *To:* tlhIngan Hol mailing list
> *Subject:* [Tlhingan-hol] Piraha
>
> it so happened,that earlier today i saw part of a documentary concerning
> the evolution of terran languages. in this documentary,a universal property
> of EVERY earth language was described (the linguistic term currently eludes
> me). This attribute is the ability to expand the length of a sentence -in
> theory- indefinitely..
>
> example :
>
> ''..the pink targh with red dots we used to have grew very noisy,so my
> mother cooked it and after eating it,I took my bird of a prey for ride,to
> test its recently installed warp core,which was very costly to acquire,but
> the interstellar patrol arrested me just as i was about to hit warp factor
> 9,let alone the fact that they scratched its hand-made klingon emblems etc
> etc.."
>
> the only terran language (according to the documentary) which doesn't have
> the aforementioned attribute is the language of a secluded tribe called
> "the Piraha" ; the same language has also the characteristic that it
> doesn't have tenses. Everything is described in the present tense.
>
> So, I would like to ask.. Does Klingon have "a maximum sentence length" ?
> Or theoretically someone would be able to "expand" a sentence indefinitely
> ? Is there a rule in canon,which prohibits a sentence to grow beyond a
> certain length ?
>
> qunnoQ
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>> You may notice that eve=
n in English such sentences can get confusing and rambling.<br></div>yes in=
deed ; I find the ability to expand a sentence indefinitely,totally unneces=
sary. although all earth languages (as described in the documentary) may ha=
ve this attribute (I can't remember the exact term), I think that it is=
confusing for someone to hear a very very loooong sentence.<br><br></div>&=
gt; Any time you find yourself unable to figure out how to include some cla=
use in a Klingon sentence, you are probably better off
breaking the idea into two sentences.<br></div>I like this so much,that I&=
#39;m going to add it to a list I recently created ; I named it "tlhIn=
gan Hol pearls" and I write there all the good suggestions/ideas/clari=
fications I read here. thank you !<br><br>> English run-on sentences<br>=
</div>what is a run-on sentence ?<br><br>> There's a chance they mig=
ht not get very far before the sentence would be ended for them (if you kno=
w what I mean).<br></div>that is the case indeed.. even I who am not a Klin=
gon,loose my patience when someone talks in a single sentence without stopp=
ing. it drives me crazy.<br><br></div>qunnoQ<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_e=
xtra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 9:02 PM, David=
Holt <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:kenjutsuka@live.com" target=
=3D"_blank">kenjutsuka@live.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<p>You may notice that even in English such sentences can get confusing and=
rambling.=C2=A0 In both English and Klingon it is much clearer to use shor=
t direct sentences and just use many of them.=C2=A0 However, in English ver=
y short sentences sound abrupt and dull.=C2=A0 In
English we often try to go for a more medium length with closely related c=
oncepts together in one sentence, but breaking things into a separate sente=
nce as they get further from the point of that sentence.=C2=A0 Some people =
may even think less of the intelligence
of a person who uses only short sentences.=C2=A0 However, Klingons are, by=
nature,=C2=A0more direct and they prefer short clear sentences.=C2=A0 Any =
time you find yourself unable to figure out how to include some clause in a=
Klingon sentence, you are probably better off
breaking the idea into two sentences. =C2=A0</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>That being said, many of the same tools that exist for English run-on se=
ntences also exist to create Klingon run-on sentences.=C2=A0 First and fore=
most being the sentence conjunctions ('ej, 'ach, pagh, qoj), but al=
so everything in section 6.2 of TKD.=C2=A0 To answer
your question directly, there is no actual limit to Klingon sentence lengt=
h and someone could expand a sentence indefinitely if they so chose.=C2=A0 =
However, they would probably sacrifice a lot of clarity and any Klingons li=
stening to them would probably quickly
come to suspect that the person was trying to hide something from them.=C2=
=A0 There's a chance they might not get very far before the sentence wo=
uld be ended for them (if you know what I mean).</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>janSIy</p>
<br>
<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif=
" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> qunnoQ HoD <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 31, 2015 1:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tlhIngan Hol mailing list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Tlhingan-hol] Piraha</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">it so happened,that earlier today i saw part of a document=
ary concerning the evolution of terran languages. in this documentary,a uni=
versal property of EVERY earth language was described (the linguistic term =
currently eludes me). This attribute
is the ability to expand the length of a sentence -in theory- indefinitely=
..<br>
<br>
example :<br>
<br>
''..the pink targh with red dots we used to have grew very noisy,so=
my mother cooked it and after eating it,I took my bird of a prey for ride,=
to test its recently installed warp core,which was very costly to acquire,b=
ut the interstellar patrol arrested me just
as i was about to hit warp factor 9,let alone the fact that they scratched=
its hand-made klingon emblems etc etc.."<br>
<br>
the only terran language (according to the documentary) which doesn't h=
ave the aforementioned attribute is the language of a secluded tribe called=
"the Piraha" ; the same language has also the characteristic tha=
t it doesn't have tenses. Everything is described
in the present tense.<br>
<br>
So, I would like to ask.. Does Klingon have "a maximum sentence length=
" ? Or theoretically someone would be able to "expand" a sen=
tence indefinitely ? Is there a rule in canon,which prohibits a sentence to=
grow beyond a certain length ?<br>
<br>
qunnoQ<br>
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