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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Piraha
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Holt)
Sat Oct 31 15:02:25 2015
From: David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com>
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 19:02:05 +0000
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You may notice that even in English such sentences can get confusing and ra=
mbling. In both English and Klingon it is much clearer to use short direct=
sentences and just use many of them. However, in English very short sente=
nces sound abrupt and dull. In English we often try to go for a more mediu=
m length with closely related concepts together in one sentence, but breaki=
ng things into a separate sentence as they get further from the point of th=
at sentence. Some people may even think less of the intelligence of a pers=
on who uses only short sentences. However, Klingons are, by nature, more d=
irect and they prefer short clear sentences. Any time you find yourself un=
able to figure out how to include some clause in a Klingon sentence, you ar=
e probably better off breaking the idea into two sentences.
That being said, many of the same tools that exist for English run-on sente=
nces also exist to create Klingon run-on sentences. First and foremost bei=
ng the sentence conjunctions ('ej, 'ach, pagh, qoj), but also everything in=
section 6.2 of TKD. To answer your question directly, there is no actual =
limit to Klingon sentence length and someone could expand a sentence indefi=
nitely if they so chose. However, they would probably sacrifice a lot of c=
larity and any Klingons listening to them would probably quickly come to su=
spect that the person was trying to hide something from them. There's a ch=
ance they might not get very far before the sentence would be ended for the=
m (if you know what I mean).
janSIy
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From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 1:40 PM
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list
Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] Piraha
it so happened,that earlier today i saw part of a documentary concerning th=
e evolution of terran languages. in this documentary,a universal property o=
f EVERY earth language was described (the linguistic term currently eludes =
me). This attribute is the ability to expand the length of a sentence -in t=
heory- indefinitely..
example :
''..the pink targh with red dots we used to have grew very noisy,so my moth=
er cooked it and after eating it,I took my bird of a prey for ride,to test =
its recently installed warp core,which was very costly to acquire,but the i=
nterstellar patrol arrested me just as i was about to hit warp factor 9,let=
alone the fact that they scratched its hand-made klingon emblems etc etc..=
"
the only terran language (according to the documentary) which doesn't have =
the aforementioned attribute is the language of a secluded tribe called "th=
e Piraha" ; the same language has also the characteristic that it doesn't h=
ave tenses. Everything is described in the present tense.
So, I would like to ask.. Does Klingon have "a maximum sentence length" ? O=
r theoretically someone would be able to "expand" a sentence indefinitely ?=
Is there a rule in canon,which prohibits a sentence to grow beyond a certa=
in length ?
qunnoQ
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<p>You may notice that even in English such sentences can get confusing and=
rambling. In both English and Klingon it is much clearer to use shor=
t direct sentences and just use many of them. However, in English ver=
y short sentences sound abrupt and dull. In
English we often try to go for a more medium length with closely related c=
oncepts together in one sentence, but breaking things into a separate sente=
nce as they get further from the point of that sentence. Some people =
may even think less of the intelligence
of a person who uses only short sentences. However, Klingons are, by=
nature, more direct and they prefer short clear sentences. Any =
time you find yourself unable to figure out how to include some clause in a=
Klingon sentence, you are probably better off
breaking the idea into two sentences. </p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>That being said, many of the same tools that exist for English run-on se=
ntences also exist to create Klingon run-on sentences. First and fore=
most being the sentence conjunctions ('ej, 'ach, pagh, qoj), but also every=
thing in section 6.2 of TKD. To answer
your question directly, there is no actual limit to Klingon sentence lengt=
h and someone could expand a sentence indefinitely if they so chose. =
However, they would probably sacrifice a lot of clarity and any Klingons li=
stening to them would probably quickly
come to suspect that the person was trying to hide something from them. &n=
bsp;There's a chance they might not get very far before the sentence would =
be ended for them (if you know what I mean).</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>janSIy</p>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">it so happened,that earlier today i saw part of a document=
ary concerning the evolution of terran languages. in this documentary,a uni=
versal property of EVERY earth language was described (the linguistic term =
currently eludes me). This attribute
is the ability to expand the length of a sentence -in theory- indefinitely=
..<br>
<br>
example :<br>
<br>
''..the pink targh with red dots we used to have grew very noisy,so my moth=
er cooked it and after eating it,I took my bird of a prey for ride,to test =
its recently installed warp core,which was very costly to acquire,but the i=
nterstellar patrol arrested me just
as i was about to hit warp factor 9,let alone the fact that they scratched=
its hand-made klingon emblems etc etc.."<br>
<br>
the only terran language (according to the documentary) which doesn't have =
the aforementioned attribute is the language of a secluded tribe called &qu=
ot;the Piraha" ; the same language has also the characteristic that it=
doesn't have tenses. Everything is described
in the present tense.<br>
<br>
So, I would like to ask.. Does Klingon have "a maximum sentence length=
" ? Or theoretically someone would be able to "expand" a sen=
tence indefinitely ? Is there a rule in canon,which prohibits a sentence to=
grow beyond a certain length ?<br>
<br>
qunnoQ<br>
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