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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] On the history of KLI
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Fri Oct 30 15:05:28 2015
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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> what does it mean by saying that "The language has even been used as a =
yardstick for unintelligibility in a publication as stolid as The =
Economist." ?
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There is an English expression you probably know, =E2=80=9Cit=E2=80=99s =
Greek to me=E2=80=9D and it=E2=80=99s also common for people to say =
things like =E2=80=9Cit might as well be written in Chinese=E2=80=9D =
meaning that something that is supposed to communicate=E2=80=94it could =
be slang, a scientific paper, an economic theory=E2=80=94is =
unintelligible. Because our society is becoming more international and =
there=E2=80=99s an awareness that it might be insulting to call =
someone=E2=80=99s language unintelligible, people are avoiding those =
comparisons. From time to time you see serious writing that says, =
=E2=80=9Cit might as well be written in Klingon.=E2=80=9D I have even =
seen this in the Economist, a serious international business =
publication. I didn=E2=80=99t save the citation.
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I pulled out my old HolQeD, jatmey and some KLI ephemera hoping to =
answer the logo question, but it=E2=80=99s complicated. I=E2=80=99ll =
blog about it (so it can have pictures) and post the result. The chance =
Marc Okrand had anything to do with the logo is vanishingly small. If I =
recall correctly, both the words HolQeD and yejHaD are Lawrence coinages =
later blessed by Okrand.
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- Qov
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 6:36 PM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
I can't answer most of your questions directly, but some are answered on =
the KLI website: http://www.kli.org/about-klingon/klingon-history/
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qurgh
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:23 PM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
there is a number of questions i would like to ask.. i know that these =
questions may sound strange,and many may wonder why they would be of any =
interest to me at all. i would be nevertheless grateful if anyone could =
provide any answers.=20
because they are quite a few,i will write them in such a way,that a =
single word answer is required..
how long after the creation of klingon language was the KLI formed ?
did okrand know any of the founding members of KLI,prior to the creation =
of the language ?
has any of the founding members of KLI created vocabulary and/or =
grammar,which is considered canon ?
with regards to the KLI logo/emblem. (the spiked wheel,with the three =
blades within it..)
who designed it ?
how long has it been the logo of KLI ?
has Okrand had anything to do with its creation ?
qunnoQ
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>> </span>what does it mean by saying that =
"The language has even been used as a yardstick for =
unintelligibility in a publication as stolid as <em>The =
Economist</em>." ?<span =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>There is an English expression you probably know, =
=E2=80=9Cit=E2=80=99s Greek to me=E2=80=9D and it=E2=80=99s also common =
for people to say things like =E2=80=9Cit might as well be written in =
Chinese=E2=80=9D meaning that something that is supposed to =
communicate=E2=80=94it could be slang, a scientific paper, an economic =
theory=E2=80=94is unintelligible.=C2=A0 Because our society is becoming =
more international and there=E2=80=99s an awareness that it might be =
insulting to call someone=E2=80=99s language unintelligible, people are =
avoiding those comparisons.=C2=A0 From time to time you see serious =
writing that says, =E2=80=9Cit might as well be written in =
Klingon.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 I have even seen this in the Economist, a =
serious international business publication. I didn=E2=80=99t save the =
citation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I pulled out my old HolQeD, jatmey and some KLI ephemera hoping to =
answer the logo question, but it=E2=80=99s complicated.=C2=A0 =
I=E2=80=99ll blog about it (so it can have pictures) and post the =
result.=C2=A0 The chance Marc Okrand had anything to do with the logo is =
vanishingly small.=C2=A0 If I recall correctly, both the words HolQeD =
and yejHaD are Lawrence coinages later blessed by =
Okrand.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>- Qov<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Fri, =
Oct 30, 2015 at 6:36 PM, qurgh lungqIj <<a =
href=3D"mailto:qurgh@wizage.net" =
target=3D"_blank">qurgh@wizage.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I can't answer most of your questions directly, but =
some are answered on the KLI website: <a =
href=3D"http://www.kli.org/about-klingon/klingon-history/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.kli.org/about-klingon/klingon-history/</a><o=
:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>qurgh<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:23 PM, qunnoQ HoD <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> =
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class=3DMsoNormal>there is a number of questions i would like to ask.. i =
know that these questions may sound strange,and many may wonder why they =
would be of any interest to me at all. i would be nevertheless grateful =
if anyone could provide any answers. <br><br>because they are quite a =
few,i will write them in such a way,that a single word answer is =
required..<br><br>how long after the creation of klingon language was =
the KLI formed ?<br>did okrand know any of the founding members of =
KLI,prior to the creation of the language ?<br>has any of the founding =
members of KLI created vocabulary and/or grammar,which is considered =
canon ?<br><br>with regards to the KLI logo/emblem. (the spiked =
wheel,with the three blades within it..)<br><br>who designed it ?<br>how =
long has it been the logo of KLI ?<br>has Okrand had anything to do with =
its creation ?<span =
style=3D'color:#888888'><br><br>qunnoQ</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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