[101486] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qaghwI' between consonants
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Karen Alessio)
Sat Oct 24 10:34:49 2015
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:34:33 -0400
From: Karen Alessio <karenalessio@gmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
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I'm sort of new to this, is there a list somewhere of consonant clusters
allowed/disallowed in tlhingan phonology?
also, how do I reply to threads in this mailing list? Hit "reply all"? I'm
feeling kind of newbie-ish right now. sorry.
thanks!
> and the apostrophe between most consonants just cannot be pronounced
that is exactly what i wanted to clarify ! i wondered whether the cluster
consonant-qaghwI'-consonant can be pronounced ; thank you all for answering=
.
On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 24.10.2015 um 08:11 schrieb Robyn Stewart:
> > 3.Names can take any form the user wants them to, including letters and
> letter combinations that aren=E2=80=99t in tlhIngan Hol.
>
> First to make clear: Qov is one of the most experienced Klingon speakers =
I
> have ever met, so I have my greatest respect to her knowledge and
> grammatical opinion. That's why it's not easy for me to contradict.
>
> This is important for true beginners to understand this correctly:
>
> Yes, names can be whatever they are. Of course there is no rule for names=
,
> and they may look what they look like.
>
> But, on the other hand, it depends on the question asked: if you want to
> make a name which follows correct tlhIngan Hol syllables, then you can NO=
T
> do what you want. The Klingon letters we use are some kind of pronunciati=
on
> system, and the apostrophe between most consonants just cannot be
> pronounced. I definitely DISCOMMEND any beginners to write words like
> {qun'noQ} or {QIt'vur} because they simply can NOT be pronounced. It's li=
ke
> writing english names like "Kpnolstkr" and "Apprlk" - it just makes no
> sense.
>
> What you can do is what most authors do, writing "english" Klingon names
> as we know "K'mtor" or "K'Tinga", but that'sno tlhIngan Hol.
>
> {paq'batlh} is really one of very few exceptions [please name any others]=
,
> which is based on the incorrect spelling of the autors, and that's why
> okrand has explained it as archaic klingon.
>
> --
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
> Grammarian of the KLI
> http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
> http://www.klingonwiki.net
>
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">I'm sort of new to this, is there a list somewhere of co=
nsonant clusters allowed/disallowed in tlhingan phonology?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">also, how do I reply to threads in this mailing list? Hit &q=
uot;reply all"? I'm feeling kind of newbie-ish right now. sorry.<b=
r>
thanks!</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quot<blockquote class=3D" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>> an=
d the apostrophe between most consonants just cannot be pronounced<br><br><=
/div>that is exactly what i wanted to clarify ! i wondered whether the clus=
ter consonant-qaghwI'-consonant can be pronounced ; thank you all for a=
nswering.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
">On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Lieven <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"=
mailto:levinius@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>></span> wr=
ote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 24.10.2015 um 08:11 schrieb Robyn=
Stewart:<br>
> 3.Names can take any form the user wants them to, including letters an=
d letter combinations that aren=E2=80=99t in tlhIngan Hol.<br>
<br>
First to make clear: Qov is one of the most experienced Klingon speakers I =
have ever met, so I have my greatest respect to her knowledge and grammatic=
al opinion. That's why it's not easy for me to contradict.<br>
<br>
This is important for true beginners to understand this correctly:<br>
<br>
Yes, names can be whatever they are. Of course there is no rule for names, =
and they may look what they look like.<br>
<br>
But, on the other hand, it depends on the question asked: if you want to ma=
ke a name which follows correct tlhIngan Hol syllables, then you can NOT do=
what you want. The Klingon letters we use are some kind of pronunciation s=
ystem, and the apostrophe between most consonants just cannot be pronounced=
. I definitely DISCOMMEND any beginners to write words like {qun'noQ} o=
r {QIt'vur} because they simply can NOT be pronounced. It's like wr=
iting english names like "Kpnolstkr" and "Apprlk" - it =
just makes no sense.<br>
<br>
What you can do is what most authors do, writing "english" Klingo=
n names as we know "K'mtor" or "K'Tinga", but t=
hat'sno tlhIngan Hol.<br>
<br>
{paq'batlh} is really one of very few exceptions [please name any other=
s], which is based on the incorrect spelling of the autors, and that's =
why okrand has explained it as archaic klingon.<span><font color=3D"#888888=
"><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
Grammarian of the KLI<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher" rel=3D"noreferrer" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.klingonwiki.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.klingonwiki.net</a></font></span><div><div><br>
<br>
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