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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: ghoD
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Anthony Appleyard)
Tue Oct 20 17:42:15 2015
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:41:56 +0100 (BST)
From: Anthony Appleyard <a.appleyard@btinternet.com>
To: tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org
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Compare:-
{wIlegh tlhInganpu'} :: we Klingons see :: Latin [Tlingani videmus]
{wIleghlu' tlhInganpu'} :: one sees us Klingons / we Klingons are seen :: L=
atin [Tlingani videmur]
This "impersonal" looks somewhat like a Latin passive in verb suffix use, b=
ut like an impersonal in the word order.=20
wide =3D legh, mus =3D wI, r =3D lu'
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From: Will Martin [mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com]=20
Sent: October 20, 2015 8:45
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: ghoD
I=E2=80=99m sure this was discussed to death years ago, but it occurs to me=
that {lu-} is the only prefix used with {-lu=E2=80=99} that indicates a di=
rect object. It=E2=80=99s further interesting by reversing the number of th=
e subject and object, since the unknown subject is singular, but the known =
object is plural, while the prefix suggests the opposite.
It=E2=80=99s one of the weird exceptions that makes the rule, I suppose...
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<blockquote style=3D"margin-right: 0px; margin-left:15px;"><div class=3D"Wo=
rdSection1">Compare:-<br><br>{wIlegh tlhInganpu'} :: we Klingons see<span><=
/span> :: Latin [Tlingani videmus]<br><br>{wIlegh<u>lu'</u> tlhInganpu'} ::=
one sees us Klingons / we Klingons are seen :: Latin [Tlingani videm<span>=
u<u>r</u>]<br><br>This "impersonal" looks somewhat like a Latin passive in =
verb suffix use, but like an impersonal in the word order. <br><br>wide =3D=
legh, mus =3D wI, r =3D lu'<br> </span><br><b><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"=
" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></b><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b> =
Will Martin [mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com] <br><div><div style=3D"borde=
r:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&quo=
t;,"sans-serif"" lang=3D"EN-US"><b>Sent:</b> October 20, 2015 8:4=
5<br><b>To:</b> tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] =
Klingon Word of the Day: ghoD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m sure this=
was discussed to death years ago, but it occurs to me that {lu-} is the on=
ly prefix used with {-lu=E2=80=99} that indicates a direct object. It=E2=80=
=99s further interesting by reversing the number of the subject and object,=
since the unknown subject is singular, but the known object is plural, whi=
le the prefix suggests the opposite.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It=E2=80=99s one=
of the weird exceptions that makes the rule, I suppose...<o:p></o:p></p></=
div><br></div></blockquote><br><p></p>
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