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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] glottal stop
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Karen Alessio)
Mon Oct 19 06:50:38 2015
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 06:42:17 -0400
From: Karen Alessio <karenalessio@gmail.com>
To: a.appleyard@btinternet.com
Cc: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
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Also many other languages dont add a glottal stop in front of word-initial
vowels. As stated already certain varieties of English have this tendency.
So it seems odd to me that the qaghwI' is relegated to
less-than-true-consonant status by being treated differently, both in pIqad
grapheme size and in name.
On Oct 19, 2015 12:57 AM, "Anthony Appleyard" <a.appleyard@btinternet.com>
wrote:
> "every syllable begins with a consonant, INCLUDING the qaghwI'": This is
> not true for British English. I remember on the Red Sea having to teach a
> liveaboard-boat-ful of English-speaking people to say the Arabic word
> {'afwan} (the reply to "thankyou") complete with glottal stop; as usual my
> starting point was Cockney English "bu'er" for "butter" (familiar to the
> public from entertainment radio programs), as is common in books teach
> Semitic languages to English-speakers.
>
> ----Original message----
> From : sustel@trimboli.name
> Date : 19/10/2015 - 00:59 (GMTST)
> To : tlhingan-hol@kli.org
> Subject : Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: veSDuj
>
> On 10/18/2015 10:44 AM, Robyn Stewart wrote:
> > The qaghwI' is more of a cessation of sound than a sound.
>
> Not really. It's as much a stop as any other stop, just farther back in
> the throat.
>
> > Because every (otherwise-)initial vowel is automatically preceded by
> > one,
>
> Well, it's really that every syllable begins with a consonant, INCLUDING
> the qaghwI'. This is not a distinguishing feature.
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Also many other languages dont add a glottal stop in front o=
f word-initial vowels. As stated already certain varieties of English have =
this tendency.<br>
So it seems odd to me that the qaghwI' is relegated to less-than-true-=
consonant status by being treated differently, both in pIqad grapheme size =
and in name.</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 19, 2015 12:57 AM, "Anthony Appleyar=
d" <<a href=3D"mailto:a.appleyard@btinternet.com">a.appleyard@btint=
ernet.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">"every syllable begins with a consonant, INCLUDING the qaghwI'=
;": This is not true for British English. I remember on the Red Sea ha=
ving to teach a liveaboard-boat-ful of English-speaking people to say the A=
rabic word {'afwan} (the reply to "thankyou") complete with g=
lottal stop; as usual my starting point was Cockney English "bu'er=
" for "butter" (familiar to the public from entertainment ra=
dio programs), as is common in books teach Semitic languages to English-spe=
akers.<br>
<br>
----Original message----<br>
From : <a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a><br>
Date : 19/10/2015 - 00:59 (GMTST)<br>
To : <a href=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br>
Subject : Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: veSDuj<br>
<br>
On 10/18/2015 10:44 AM, Robyn Stewart wrote:<br>
> The qaghwI' is more of a cessation of sound than a sound.<br>
<br>
Not really. It's as much a stop as any other stop, just farther back in=
<br>
the throat.<br>
<br>
> Because every (otherwise-)initial vowel is automatically preceded by<b=
r>
> one,<br>
<br>
Well, it's really that every syllable begins with a consonant, INCLUDIN=
G<br>
the qaghwI'. This is not a distinguishing feature.<br>
<br>
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