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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: veSDuj
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Sun Oct 18 13:35:51 2015
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
To: "'tlhIngan-Hol'" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:02:12 -0700
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From: qunnoQ HoD [mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com]=20
Sent: October 18, 2015 9:21
To: Robyn Stewart
Cc: tlhIngan-Hol
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: veSDuj
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one of the things that initially drew me to Klingon was the pIqaD,simply =
because it looks pretty cool. i remember many-many years ago hitting =
pause on some star trek episode,and carefully looking at the various =
pIqaD characters thinking how nice it would be to learn how to write =
them. Back then i didn't even know Klingon as a language existed. i =
thought someone made the letters up,and that's it ; end of story.
the only disappointment was to find out that when these letters were to =
be written by hand,a lot of their cool looks,were lost. hand written =
pIqaD,-or at least written in normal writing speed- lacks a lot,compared =
to its printed counterpart.
qunnoQ
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On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca> =
wrote:
Of those the L bugs me the most, but then I used to be irritated by =
words like 'ampaS, qul, and jIb with links back to English. It was when =
I realized that immersed in Klingon grammar, no one is ever going to see =
or hear the tricks, that I accepted that that was simply how Marc was =
building his language, and I could pretend they were all coincidence
> On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:46, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 18.10.2015 um 12:50 schrieb De'vID:
>>> On 17 October 2015 at 19:58, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
>>> b) Somebody has invented a set of letters which are quite useful =
because
>>> they match the letters, and most klingonists have agreed to use this =
one.
>
>> This is going off-topic, but...
>
> We are having off topic discussions very often, and at least, it's =
still related to klingon :-)
>
>> I really dislike the fact that the mapping makes the qaghwI' look =
like
>> an apostrophe.
>
> Thanks you're saying that - I have always felt similar. I also do not =
like the l looking like an L, the D looking like a greek D, and the I =
looking close to an Y, and the u is close to a tilted u. Certainly the =
apostrophe looking like an apostrophe is the worst of all.
>
>> actually appeared on the show. Whoever made the mapping made the =
other
>> glyphs based on the symbols seen in the show, except for that one.
>
> So it's obviously someone who did not know much about tlhIngan Hol, =
except for the existing letters.
>
> Don't misunderstand me - I do like the pIqaD we know and I cannot =
change it back to something else now. It's simply that I agree with =
De'vID that some of the letters look very terran.
>
>
> --
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
> Grammarian of the KLI
> http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
> http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/PIqaD
>
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[mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> October 18, 2015 =
9:21<br><b>To:</b> Robyn Stewart<br><b>Cc:</b> =
tlhIngan-Hol<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the =
Day: veSDuj<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>one of the things that =
initially drew me to Klingon was the pIqaD,simply because it looks =
pretty cool. i remember many-many years ago hitting pause on some star =
trek episode,and carefully looking at the various pIqaD characters =
thinking how nice it would be to learn how to write them. Back then i =
didn't even know Klingon as a language existed. i thought someone made =
the letters up,and that's it ; end of story.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>the only disappointment =
was to find out that when these letters were to be written by hand,a lot =
of their cool looks,were lost. hand written pIqaD,-or at least written =
in normal writing speed- lacks a lot,compared to its printed =
counterpart.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>qunnoQ<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Sun, =
Oct 18, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Robyn Stewart <<a =
href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Of those the L bugs me the most, but then I used to be =
irritated by words like 'ampaS, qul, and jIb with links back to English. =
It was when I realized that immersed in Klingon grammar, no one is ever =
going to see or hear the tricks, that I accepted that that was simply =
how Marc was building his language, and I could pretend they were all =
coincidence<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br>> On Oct =
18, 2015, at 4:46, Lieven <<a =
href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de">levinius@gmx.de</a>> =
wrote:<br>><br>>> Am 18.10.2015 um 12:50 schrieb =
De'vID:<br>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 19:58, Lieven <<a =
href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de">levinius@gmx.de</a>> =
wrote:<br>>>> b) Somebody has invented a set of letters which =
are quite useful because<br>>>> they match the letters, and =
most klingonists have agreed to use this one.<br>><br>>> This =
is going off-topic, but...<br>><br>> We are having off topic =
discussions very often, and at least, it's still related to klingon =
:-)<br>><br>>> I really dislike the fact that the mapping makes =
the qaghwI' look like<br>>> an apostrophe.<br>><br>> Thanks =
you're saying that - I have always felt similar. I also do not like the =
l looking like an L, the D looking like a greek D, and the I looking =
close to an Y, and the u is close to a tilted u. Certainly the =
apostrophe looking like an apostrophe is the worst of =
all.<br>><br>>> actually appeared on the show. Whoever made the =
mapping made the other<br>>> glyphs based on the symbols seen in =
the show, except for that one.<br>><br>> So it's obviously someone =
who did not know much about tlhIngan Hol, except for the existing =
letters.<br>><br>> Don't misunderstand me - I do like the pIqaD we =
know and I cannot change it back to something else now. It's simply that =
I agree with De'vID that some of the letters look very =
terran.<br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Lieven L. Litaer<br>> aka =
Quvar valer 'utlh<br>> Grammarian of the KLI<br>> <a =
href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher</a><br>> <a =
href=3D"http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/PIqaD" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/PIqaD</a><br>><br>>=
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