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[Tlhingan-hol] Captain Qov versus Qov's captain
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Anthony Appleyard)
Thu Oct 15 12:21:24 2015
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 17:20:57 +0100 (BST)
From: Anthony Appleyard <a.appleyard@btinternet.com>
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To return to the apparent ambiguity between {Qov HoD} meaning:-
(1) Qov's captain, if he is lower in rank than a captain.
(2) Captain Qov, if he is a captain
Can {Qov HoD} also mean "the captain of the ship that Qov is riding on"?, i=
f Qov is higher rank than a captain (e.g. Qov is an admiral or a king).
{Qov 'oHbogh HoD} would mean "the captain, who is Qov", and would mean spec=
ifically (2).
Presumably rank names are in a special class and can be used in apposition =
as in {Qov HoD}.
In the Turkic languages, as in Klingon, "my", "you", etc are suffixes added=
to a noun, e.g. Turkish
[cam=C4=B1] =3D "mosque", [cam=C4=B1s=C4=B1] =3D "his mosque". And in Turki=
sh, [Mehmet cam=C4=B1s=C4=B1] =3D "Mehmet his mosque" =3D "Mehmet's mosque"=
.
(Compare former literary British English spellings such as "St.James his pa=
rk" for "St.James's park".)
Thus {Qov HoDDaj} =3D "Qov, his captain" may specifically mean "Qov's capta=
in", but would be non-Okrandian.
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To return to the apparent ambiguity between {Qov HoD} meaning:-<br>(1) Qov'=
s captain, if he is lower in rank than a captain.<br>(2) Captain Qov, if he=
is a captain<br><br>Can {Qov HoD} also mean "the captain of the ship that =
Qov is riding on"?, if Qov is higher rank than a captain (e.g. Qov is an ad=
miral or a king).<br><span class=3D"" id=3D"ouHighlight__0_7TO0_5"><br>{Qov=
'oHbogh HoD} would mean "the captain, who is Qov", and would mean </span><=
span class=3D"" id=3D"ouHighlight__0_7TO0_5">specifically (2).<br></span><b=
r>Presumably rank names are in a special class and can be used in appositio=
n as in {Qov HoD}.<br><br>In the Turkic languages, as in Klingon, "my", "yo=
u", etc are suffixes added to a noun, e.g. Turkish<br>[cam=C4=B1] =3D "mosq=
ue", [cam=C4=B1s=C4=B1] =3D "his mosque". And in Turkish, [Mehmet cam=C4=B1=
s=C4=B1] =3D "Mehmet his mosque" =3D "Mehmet's mosque".<br>(Compare former =
literary British English spellings such as "St.James his park" for "St.Jame=
s's park".)<br><br>Thus {Qov HoDDaj} =3D "Qov, his captain" may specificall=
y mean "Qov's captain", but would be non-Okrandian.<span class=3D"" id=3D"o=
uHighlight__0_7TO0_5"></span><br><br><p></p>
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