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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Noun sequences
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (HoD qunnoQ)
Mon Oct 12 03:19:04 2015
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:18:48 +0300
From: HoD qunnoQ <mihkoun@gmail.com>
To: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Cc: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org>
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>> In Klingon, a title always follows the name of the person it is being
applied to
another interesting thing i didn't know.. so off to change my name.
On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote=
:
> I didn=E2=80=99t refresh my mail in between reading and answering, but I =
like how
> succinct that question is.
>
> Succinct answer=E2=80=94if you don=E2=80=99t know, you don=E2=80=99t know=
.
>
> Long answer:
> Out loud, I think they=E2=80=99d sound a little different. With no contex=
t, {*Qov*
> HoD vIlegh} with emphasis on Qov, would be Captain Qov. {Qov **HoD**
> vIlegh} with the emphasis on HoD would suggest that it was my captain. Bu=
t
> that could be reversed if the conversation involved some doubt about my
> rank, or about whose captain was sighted. But that would involve context=
,
> so you=E2=80=99d know. If someone gets confused, you have to explain wit=
h {HoD
> ghaH Qov=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99, HoD ghajbe=E2=80=99} or {HoD ghaHbe=E2=80=99=
Qov=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99. HoDDaj=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 vIqel.}
>
> I have a hat that I call (in English) =E2=80=9Cmy captain=E2=80=99s hat.=
=E2=80=9D Do you think I
> got it from a captain who mentored me or that it=E2=80=99s part of a unif=
orm I wear
> as a captain? Neither is true. It=E2=80=99s a ridiculous rainbow stripe=
d sunhat
> that my best friend gave me to celebrate my being hired as a captain. If
> you don=E2=80=99t know, you don=E2=80=99t know.
>
>
>
> - Qov
>
>
>
> *From:* Anthony Appleyard [mailto:a.appleyard@btinternet.com]
> *Sent:* October 11, 2015 8:45
> *To:* lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com; tlhingan-hol@kli.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Noun sequences
>
>
>
> But please, how to distinguish e.g. "Captain Qov" from "Qov's captain"?
>
> ----Original message----
> From : lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com
> Date : 11/10/2015 - 16:30 (GMTST)
> To : tlhingan-hol@kli.org
> Subject : Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Noun sequences
>
> I don't think that adding a title to a name is necessarily considered to
> be apposition. It's one thing to say "The pilot, Qov, is very experienced=
."
> That's apposition. In English, it gets a comma. But, "Mr. Martin would li=
ke
> a window seat" doesn't have a comma between the title, Mr., and the name,
> Martin.
>
>
>
> In Klingon, a title always follows the name of the person it is being
> applied to, except for HoD Qanqor, who established that name for himself
> before Okrand revealed that the title should follow the name. He'd had it
> for enough years that he decided to simply ignore convention for his name
> alone. Everyone else follows their name with their title, and Qanqor
> follows this convention for all names except his own.
> ....
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>>> In Klingon, a title always follows the name =
of the person it is being applied to<br></div>another interesting thing i d=
idn't know.. so off to change my name.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Robyn S=
tewart <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca" target=
=3D"_blank">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-CA"><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri=
","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I didn=E2=80=99t refresh my ma=
il in between reading and answering, but I like how succinct that question =
is.=C2=A0 <br><br>Succinct answer=E2=80=94if you don=E2=80=99t know, you do=
n=E2=80=99t know.<br><br>Long answer:<br>Out loud, I think they=E2=80=99d s=
ound a little different. With no context, {*Qov* HoD vIlegh} with emphasis =
on Qov, would be Captain Qov. {Qov *<b>HoD</b>* vIlegh} with the emphasis o=
n HoD would suggest that it was my captain. But that could be reversed if t=
he conversation involved some doubt about my rank, or about whose captain w=
as sighted.=C2=A0 But that would involve context, so you=E2=80=99d know.=C2=
=A0 If someone gets confused, you have to explain with {HoD ghaH Qov=E2=80=
=99e=E2=80=99, HoD ghajbe=E2=80=99} or {HoD ghaHbe=E2=80=99 Qov=E2=80=99e=
=E2=80=99. HoDDaj=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 vIqel.}<br><br>I have a hat that I cal=
l (in English) =E2=80=9Cmy captain=E2=80=99s hat.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 Do you thi=
nk I got it from a captain who mentored me or that it=E2=80=99s part of a u=
niform I wear as a captain?=C2=A0 Neither is true.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s a rid=
iculous rainbow striped sunhat that my best friend gave me to celebrate my =
being hired as a captain.=C2=A0 If you don=E2=80=99t know, you don=E2=80=99=
t know.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1=
f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">- Qov<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-s=
erif"" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang=3D"EN-US"> Anth=
ony Appleyard [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:a.appleyard@btinternet.com" target=
=3D"_blank">a.appleyard@btinternet.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> October 11, 20=
15 8:45<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol@k=
li.org" target=3D"_blank">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><span class=3D""><br><b>S=
ubject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Noun sequences<u></u><u></u></span></span></=
p><span class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">But please, how to distinguish e.g. "Captain Qov" =
from "Qov's captain"?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">----Original message----<br>From : <a href=
=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gma=
il.com</a><br>Date : 11/10/2015 - 16:30 (GMTST)<br>To : <a href=3D"mailto:t=
lhingan-hol@kli.org" target=3D"_blank">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br>Subject =
: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Noun sequences<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">I don't think that adding a title to a name is necessarily consid=
ered to be apposition. It's one thing to say "The pilot, Qov, is v=
ery experienced." That's apposition. In English, it gets a comma. =
But, "Mr. Martin would like a window seat" doesn't have a com=
ma between the title, Mr., and the name, Martin.<u></u><u></u></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">In Klingon, a title always follows t=
he name of the person it is being applied to, except for HoD Qanqor, who es=
tablished that name for himself before Okrand revealed that the title shoul=
d follow the name. He'd had it for enough years that he decided to simp=
ly ignore convention for his name alone. Everyone else follows their name w=
ith their title, and Qanqor follows this convention for all names except hi=
s own.<br>....<u></u><u></u></p></div></span></div></div><br>______________=
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