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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Noun sequences
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI' nuv)
Sun Oct 11 11:31:17 2015
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I don't think that adding a title to a name is necessarily considered to be a=
pposition. It's one thing to say "The pilot, Qov, is very experienced." That=
's apposition. In English, it gets a comma. But, "Mr. Martin would like a wi=
ndow seat" doesn't have a comma between the title, Mr., and the name, Martin=
.
In Klingon, a title always follows the name of the person it is being applie=
d to, except for HoD Qanqor, who established that name for himself before Ok=
rand revealed that the title should follow the name. He'd had it for enough y=
ears that he decided to simply ignore convention for his name alone. Everyon=
e else follows their name with their title, and Qanqor follows this conventi=
on for all names except his own.
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lojmIt tI'wI' nuv
> On Oct 11, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Anthony Appleyard <a.appleyard@btinternet.com=
> wrote:
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> If any sequence of nouns "A B" means "B of A", how to say e.g. "A son of B=
son of C"? I have been using "A B puqloD C puqloD". Or does that always mea=
n "son of C of son of B of A"? Or what? I have seen uses of A B where the 2 n=
ouns are in apposition, i.e. "A who is B": e.g."HoD Qanqor" or "Qanqor HoD" m=
eans "Captain Krankor" and not "the captain's Krankor" or "Krankor's captain=
".
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> Does "Picard HoD" mean "Captain Picard" now, but "Picard's captain" before=
he was promoted to captain? Or what?
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> Sometimes I have used "A 'oHbogh B" to mean "A which is B", i.e. "A B" whe=
re A and B are in apposition.
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apposition
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I don't think that adding a title to a=
name is necessarily considered to be apposition. It's one thing to say "The=
pilot, Qov, is very experienced." That's apposition. In English, it gets a c=
omma. But, "Mr. Martin would like a window seat" doesn't have a comma betwee=
n the title, Mr., and the name, Martin.</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">=
<br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">In Klingon, a title always follows t=
he name of the person it is being applied to, except for HoD Qanqor, who est=
ablished that name for himself before Okrand revealed that the title should f=
ollow the name. He'd had it for enough years that he decided to simply ignor=
e convention for his name alone. Everyone else follows their name with their=
title, and Qanqor follows this convention for all names except his own.<br>=
<br><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Sent from my i=
Pad</span><div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">loj=
mIt tI'wI' nuv</span></div></div><div><br>On Oct 11, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Antho=
ny Appleyard <<a href=3D"mailto:a.appleyard@btinternet.com">a.appleyard@b=
tinternet.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>If a=
ny sequence of nouns "A B" means "B of A", how to say e.g. "A son of B son o=
f C"? I have been using "A B puqloD C puqloD". Or does that always mean "son=
of C of son of B of A"? Or what? I have seen uses of A B where the 2 nouns a=
re in apposition, i.e. "A who is B": e.g."<span class=3D"tlh">HoD Qanqor" or=
"Qanqor HoD"</span> means "Captain Krankor" and not "the captain's Krankor"=
or "Krankor's captain".<br><br>Does "Picard HoD" mean "Captain Picard" now,=
but "Picard's captain" before he was promoted to captain? Or what?<br><br>S=
ometimes I have used "A 'oHbogh B" to mean "A which is B", i.e. "A B" where A=
and B are in apposition.<br><br><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ap=
position">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apposition</a><br><br><p></p></div><=
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