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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country Klingon
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (HoD qunnoQ)
Sat Oct 10 11:46:20 2015
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 18:46:04 +0300
From: HoD qunnoQ <mihkoun@gmail.com>
To: David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com>
Cc: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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thanks for the corrections ! yes indeed i tried to say that Qov is a space
ship,but i got the word order wrong ; but now i understand how i should
have written it.
moving on to your new question,as i understand it,it asks "am i a paper
book ?" but yet another question arises.. the 'a' is an interrogative ;
why place a question mark at the end ? isn't that unnecessary ?
and to try to answer to the question : ghobe'. qam HaqwI' SoH.
but if wanted to write "no,you are a human foot surgeon" how would i write
it ? "ghobe'. qam HaqwI' Human SoH " ?
qunnoQ
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 3:42 PM, David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com> wrote:
> >> HaqwI' JIH je. qam HaqwI' jIH. ro HaqwI' SoH'a'?
> >
> > with the help of the boQwI app i think that this means : "i'm a surgeon
> > too. a foot surgeon. are you a trunk/body surgeon ?"
>
> maj!
>
> > i would like to give the reply "no,i'm an orthopaedic surgeon". So
> > maybe i would say : "Qo'. ghIv HaqwI' jiH."
>
> Check what boQwI' says about {Qo'} as an exclamation. It cannot be used
> to answer a "yes" or "no" question. It is used when somebody tells you to
> do something and you refuse. Now look up {ghobe'}. The sentence which
> follows that was very well done. majQa'!
>
> > @ Qov (robyn) : Duj logh SoH !
>
> Perfect use of {SoH}! Though I think the other words may have gotten a
> little mixed up.
>
> When you put two nouns together (like {ghIv HaqwI'} and {Duj logh}), the
> second noun is the thing being described and the first noun modifies it in
> some way. A common relationship between the two is that the first noun is
> owner of the second noun. But it may also be that the second noun is made
> out of the first noun. Or that second noun is the type used by the first
> noun. Other more complicated relationships are possible, but the point
> it's a first-noun kind of second-noun. By the way, this is exactly how we
> do it in English, too and when you are putting two nouns together you can
> often (but not always) just put the English and Klingon in the same order
> (for possession we add 's in English, but nothing in Klingon). In those
> cases where that is not clear, it helps to reverse the order of the words
> and insert "of".
>
> {janSIy SID} is "Johnshee's patient" (ownership). {baS Haqtaj} is a
> "steel scalpel" (made of). {tlhIngan Duj} is a "Klingon ship" (used by).
> {yIn Quj} is the "game of life" (more complicated relationship).
>
> So I am a "foot kind of surgeon", a "foot surgeon", or a "surgeon of the
> foot". You are a "limb kind of surgeon", a "limb surgeon", or a "surgeon
> of the limbs". And you've described Qov as a "ship kind of outer space", a
> "ship outer space", or an "outer space of a ship". You might have instead
> meant {Duj} to mean "instinct", but I'm proceeding under the assumption
> that you meant to call Qov a "space ship". If that's the case, then you're
> saying she's a kind of ship and the kind of ship is a space kind. The
> descriptor goes first followed by the thing being described. So {logh Duj}
> is "space ship".
>
> nav paq jIH'a'?
>
> janSIy
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>thanks for the corrections ! yes indeed i t=
ried to say that Qov is a space ship,but i got the word order wrong ; but n=
ow i understand how i should have written it.<br><br></div>moving on to you=
r new question,as i understand it,it asks "am i a paper book ?" b=
ut yet another question arises..=C2=A0 the 'a' is an interrogative =
; why place a question mark at the end ? isn't that unnecessary ?<br><b=
r></div>and to try to answer to the question : ghobe'. <span class=3D"i=
m">qam HaqwI' SoH.=C2=A0 <br><br>but if wanted to write "no,you ar=
e a human foot surgeon" how would i write it ? "</span>ghobe'=
. <span class=3D"im">qam HaqwI' Human SoH " ?<br><br></span></div>=
<div><span class=3D"im">qunnoQ<br></span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 3:42 PM, David =
Holt <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:kenjutsuka@live.com" target=3D=
"_blank">kenjutsuka@live.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><span class=3D"">>> HaqwI' JIH je. qam HaqwI' jIH. =
ro HaqwI' SoH'a'?<br>
><br>
> with the help of the boQwI app i think that this means : "i'm=
a surgeon<br>
> too. a foot surgeon. are you a trunk/body surgeon ?"<br>
<br>
</span>maj!<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
> i would like to give the reply "no,i'm an orthopaedic surgeon=
". So<br>
> maybe i would say : "Qo'. ghIv HaqwI' jiH."<br>
<br>
</span>Check what boQwI' says about {Qo'} as an exclamation.=C2=A0 =
It cannot be used to answer a "yes" or "no" question.=
=C2=A0 It is used when somebody tells you to do something and you refuse.=
=C2=A0 Now look up {ghobe'}.=C2=A0 The sentence which follows that was =
very well done. =C2=A0majQa'!<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
> @ Qov (robyn) : Duj logh SoH !=C2=A0<br>
<br>
</span>Perfect use of {SoH}!=C2=A0 Though I think the other words may have =
gotten a little mixed up.<br>
<br>
When you put two nouns together (like {ghIv HaqwI'} and {Duj logh}), th=
e second noun is the thing being described and the first noun modifies it i=
n some way.=C2=A0 A common relationship between the two is that the first n=
oun is owner of the second noun.=C2=A0 But it may also be that the second n=
oun is made out of the first noun.=C2=A0 Or that second noun is the type us=
ed by the first noun.=C2=A0 Other more complicated relationships are possib=
le, but the point it's a first-noun kind of second-noun.=C2=A0 By the w=
ay, this is exactly how we do it in English, too and when you are putting t=
wo nouns together you can often (but not always) just put the English and K=
lingon in the same order (for possession we add 's in English, but noth=
ing in Klingon).=C2=A0 In those cases where that is not clear, it helps to =
reverse the order of the words and insert "of".<br>
<br>
{janSIy SID} is "Johnshee's patient" (ownership). =C2=A0{baS =
Haqtaj} is a "steel scalpel" (made of). =C2=A0{tlhIngan Duj} is a=
"Klingon ship" (used by). =C2=A0{yIn Quj} is the "game of l=
ife" (more complicated relationship).<br>
<br>
So I am a "foot kind of surgeon", a "foot surgeon", or =
a "surgeon of the foot".=C2=A0 You are a "limb kind of surge=
on", a "limb surgeon", or a "surgeon of the limbs"=
.=C2=A0 And you've described Qov as a "ship kind of outer space&qu=
ot;, a "ship outer space", or an "outer space of a ship"=
;.=C2=A0 You might have instead meant {Duj} to mean "instinct", b=
ut I'm proceeding under the assumption that you meant to call Qov a &qu=
ot;space ship".=C2=A0 If that's the case, then you're saying s=
he's a kind of ship and the kind of ship is a space kind.=C2=A0 The des=
criptor goes first followed by the thing being described.=C2=A0 So {logh Du=
j} is "space ship".<br>
<br>
nav paq jIH'a'?<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
janSIy<br>
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