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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country Klingon
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Fri Oct 9 16:11:33 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 16:11:18 -0400
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In addition to replying to Qov, considering myself part of an =
appropriate audience to respond to her request, I=E2=80=99m providing =
this as an example of how much farther than =E2=80=9CI am human,=E2=80=9D =
a speaker of Klingon can go with a few years practice. Yes, focus on the =
easy stuff now, but know that the language is not limited to the easy =
stuff in the long run. With practice, you can go this far and farther.
Maybe you=E2=80=99ll find some piece of this useful in the future when =
you want to say something like one of the sentences or phrases, or maybe =
it will open your curiosity about some quirk in Klingon grammar. =
Whatever, I hope it is useful to someone.
chu=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 jIHbe=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98ach jIHDaq =
loghqammey=E2=80=99=E2=80=99e' Hop tlhIngan ja=E2=80=99chuqlaHghach.=20
pIj vIqawlaHbe=E2=80=99mo' paqDaq tlhIngan mu=E2=80=99mey vISuqnIS. =
jIjaqmeH mu=E2=80=99mey vIQulQo=E2=80=99DI=E2=80=99 pIj jIQagh; =
jIbachHa=E2=80=99. QIn vIqonDI=E2=80=99 vIlabpa=E2=80=99 pIj =
jIQaghHa=E2=80=99meH =E2=80=98op mu=E2=80=99tlheghmey vIqonHa=E2=80=99nIS =
=E2=80=98ej vIqonnISqa=E2=80=99.
tlhIngan Hol vIjatlhlaw=E2=80=99meH QIt vIghItlaHchu=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98ach=
jIjatlhlaHchu=E2=80=99be=E2=80=99 neH.=20
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
For the Klingon impaired (and I recommend that you actually try to read =
the Klingon version before skipping down here):
I=E2=80=99m not a beginner, but I am light years from Klingon =
conversation. [Note that {jIHDaq} is optional. If you don=E2=80=99t give =
some other locative reference for {Hop}, the rules of deixis in Klingon =
suggest that you are talking about things that are distant from the =
speaker.]
Often I must find Klingon words in a book because I don=E2=80=99t =
remember them. When, in order to be bold, I refuse to research words, I =
often err; I misfire [another way to say, =E2=80=9CI make a mistake=E2=80=9D=
in Klingon]. When I record a message, before I send it, I often need to =
erase sentences and rerecord them in order to fix mistakes.
I can slowly write in perfect Klingon in order to appear to be able to =
speak it, but I can only speak it imperfectly. [My pronunciation is =
pretty good, but my quick grasp of vocabulary is disgraceful.)
And in English only:
I say all this, being probably one of the first six people in the world =
who could write intelligible Klingon sentences of moderate complexity. I =
should be farther along in my conversational skills than I am, but that =
would have required a life I didn=E2=80=99t quite lead. I=E2=80=99m =
probably exceptional enough for my writing skill, and I should be =
content with that.
I pretty much have to be, not likely to start leading that life I =
didn=E2=80=99t lead earlier. And I don=E2=80=99t really want to try to =
say everything in these two last paragraphs in English. That would be =
remarkably challenging, given that much of it is =E2=80=9Cvague, =
wittering, and indecisive=E2=80=9D (after all these years, it=E2=80=99s =
still my favorite phrase to describe the contrast between English and =
Klingon language =E2=80=94 kudos to the guy who said that first, so long =
ago).
> On Oct 9, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca> =
wrote:
>=20
> maj. (well done)
>=20
> The =E2=80=9Cyou=E2=80=9D equivalent of jIH is SoH. SoH means =
=E2=80=9Cyou=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cyou are=E2=80=9D just the way jIH =
means =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CI am=E2=80=9D.
>=20
> So to continue our conversation, I could agree with you, and say =
=E2=80=9CHuman SoH.=E2=80=9D
>=20
> But stating the obvious to make idle conversation would not be a very =
Klingon thing to do. Instead I=E2=80=99ll insult you and say Ha=E2=80=99D=
IbaH SoH, which means =E2=80=9CYou are a cur,=E2=80=9D and would be =
quite Klingon. Insult me back, and then we=E2=80=99ll progress to =
another conversational tactic.=20
>=20
> (Other spectators who think they are light years from Klingon =
conversation are welcome to join in).
> =20
> - Qov
> =20
> From: HoD qunnoQ [mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com]=20
> Sent: October 9, 2015 11:20
> To: Robyn Stewart
> Cc: tlhIngan Hol mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country =
Klingon Dialogue
> =20
> Human jIH =20
>=20
> (I picked an easy one..)
>=20
> qunnoQ
> =20
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca =
<mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca>> wrote:
> Not really. You=E2=80=99re within wa=E2=80=99 netlh qelI=E2=80=99qam =
(~20,000 km) of every Klingon speaker there is, and thanks to the =
internet you can communicate with all of us within microseconds. It =
takes very little Klingon to have a conversation, and once you have that =
first conversation, you will have established a beachhead from which to =
conquer the language.
> =20
> Here=E2=80=99s the first thing I taught the beginners at qep=E2=80=99a=E2=
=80=99: how to say =E2=80=9CI am a ____=E2=80=9D. It is =E2=80=9C____ =
jIH.=E2=80=9D
>=20
> jIH is a member of the chuvmey class of words. It acts as the =
prounoun =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=9D and also means =E2=80=9CI am.=E2=80=9D
>=20
> tlhIngan jIH =3D I am a Klingon
> =E2=80=98orwI=E2=80=99 jIH =3D I am a pilot
> tera=E2=80=99ngan jIH =3D I am an Earther
>=20
> Look up a word (has to be a noun) that you are, and tell me you are =
that.
>=20
> Instead of looking at the Klingon language as a massive challenge you =
have to be someone special to meet, or psyche yourself up to begin, just =
learn one thing at a time until qaSta=E2=80=99! You have learned it.
> =20
> - Qov
>=20
> From: HoD qunnoQ [mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com <mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com>]=20=
> Sent: October 9, 2015 4:43
> To: Robyn Stewart
> Cc: tlhIngan Hol mailing list
>=20
> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country =
Klingon Dialogue
> =20
> >Regardless, I will be delighted to converse with you in =
intelligibly-spoken Klingon, no matter what your spit range might be.
>=20
> I would be delighted too,but unfortunately i'm light years away from =
being able to actually converse with someone in Klingon..
>=20
> qunnoQ
> =20
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca =
<mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca>> wrote:
> Different languages _are_ spoken in different ways. Klingon does have =
to be spoken somewhat forcefully to distinguish between some of the =
raspy consonants. The rhythm of Italian helps to distinguish between =
doubled and single consonants. Russian declarative sentences are said =
with a kind of monotone, falling off at the end. If I were to speak =
Russian fluently and with the peppy little rises and falls of my native =
language, it wouldn=E2=80=99t sound right. I=E2=80=99m still weirded =
out by the instruction that it is incorrect to speak Cree with emotion =
in my voice, that the old western stereotype of the Indian guide saying =
=E2=80=9Call my family die=E2=80=9D in the same flat tone as =E2=80=9Csoon=
will rain=E2=80=9D is based in truth. I had a Korean student who knew =
English quite well, with reasonable pronunciation but was really hard to =
understand because he used the rhythm of his own language. When I tried =
to get him to put longer pauses in so an examiner could understand, he =
protested that he didn=E2=80=99t want to sound stupid. This was before =
YouTube, so I had to get him to take my word for it that great speeches =
in English show that its skilled speakers SLOW DOWN to sound smart.
> Speaking Klingon with the fluent rhythm of English is probably as =
wrong as speaking it with the rhythm of Italian or Japanese. The =
=E2=80=98native=E2=80=99 Klingon speakers we hear tend to speak in a =
staccato manner, yet Azetbur manages to do it without overly chewing the =
scenery. Perhaps it=E2=80=99s because of her gender, or is an =
affectation. Regardless, I will be delighted to converse with you in =
intelligibly-spoken Klingon, no matter what your spit range might be.
> =20
> - Qov
> =20
> From: HoD qunnoQ [mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com <mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com>]=20=
> Sent: October 8, 2015 13:06
> To: Lieven
> Cc: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org =
<mailto:tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country =
Klingon Dialogue
> =20
> indeed.. if i ever managed to become proficient in Klingon,so as to =
speak it like i speak my native language,then this is the way i would =
like to speak it ; mildly and relaxed. i don't know why,but this manner =
of speaking appeals to me as more instinctive and natural.
>=20
> qunnoQ
> =20
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de =
<mailto:levinius@gmx.de>> wrote:
> Am 08.10.2015 um 17:54 schrieb HoD qunnoQ:
> nuqneH
>=20
> i made this observation...
>=20
> That's a very good observation, and it's more important than what most =
people would believe it to be.
>=20
> Indeed, I guess it's simply the actor who speaks a bit differently =
than others. Perhabs it was even done intentional, because Azetbur was =
sad?
> Maybe it's because she's a woman. I don't know, compare to Valkris or =
Uhura (although she's not klingon, so maybe she doesn't count)
>=20
> Anyhow, I love showing this scene to my students because it makes =
clear that one can speak klingon in a very natural way, as opposed to =
what many people believe is that you need to shout and bark klingon all =
the time.
>=20
> Klingon can be spoken like a natural language, and Azetbur has proven =
this quite well in that scene.
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
> Grammarian of the KLI
> http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher =
<http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher>
> http://www.klingonwiki.net <http://www.klingonwiki.net/>
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">In addition to replying to Qov, considering =
myself part of an appropriate audience to respond to her request, I=E2=80=99=
m providing this as an example of how much farther than =E2=80=9CI am =
human,=E2=80=9D a speaker of Klingon can go with a few years practice. =
Yes, focus on the easy stuff now, but know that the language is not =
limited to the easy stuff in the long run. With practice, you can go =
this far and farther.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Maybe you=E2=80=99ll find some piece of this useful in the =
future when you want to say something like one of the sentences or =
phrases, or maybe it will open your curiosity about some quirk in =
Klingon grammar. Whatever, I hope it is useful to someone.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">chu=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 =
jIHbe=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98ach jIHDaq loghqammey=E2=80=99=E2=80=99e' Hop =
tlhIngan ja=E2=80=99chuqlaHghach. </div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">pIj vIqawlaHbe=E2=80=99mo' paqDaq =
tlhIngan mu=E2=80=99mey vISuqnIS. jIjaqmeH mu=E2=80=99mey =
vIQulQo=E2=80=99DI=E2=80=99 pIj jIQagh; jIbachHa=E2=80=99. QIn =
vIqonDI=E2=80=99 vIlabpa=E2=80=99 pIj jIQaghHa=E2=80=99meH =E2=80=98op =
mu=E2=80=99tlheghmey vIqonHa=E2=80=99nIS =E2=80=98ej =
vIqonnISqa=E2=80=99.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">tlhIngan Hol vIjatlhlaw=E2=80=99meH QIt vIghItlaHchu=E2=80=99 =
=E2=80=98ach jIjatlhlaHchu=E2=80=99be=E2=80=99 neH. </div><br =
class=3D""><div apple-content-edited=3D"true" class=3D"">
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; =
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auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class=3D"">pItlh</div><div =
class=3D"">lojmIt tI'wI'nuv</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></span></div><div class=3D"">For the Klingon impaired =
(and I recommend that you actually try to read the Klingon version =
before skipping down here):</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m not a beginner, but I am light years from =
Klingon conversation. [Note that {jIHDaq} is optional. If you don=E2=80=99=
t give some other locative reference for {Hop}, the rules of deixis in =
Klingon suggest that you are talking about things that are distant from =
the speaker.]</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Often I must find Klingon words in a book because I don=E2=80=99=
t remember them. When, in order to be bold, I refuse to research words, =
I often err; I misfire [another way to say, =E2=80=9CI make a mistake=E2=80=
=9D in Klingon]. When I record a message, before I send it, I often need =
to erase sentences and rerecord them in order to fix mistakes.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I can slowly write in =
perfect Klingon in order to appear to be able to speak it, but I can =
only speak it imperfectly. [My pronunciation is pretty good, but my =
quick grasp of vocabulary is disgraceful.)</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">And in English only:</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I say all this, being =
probably one of the first six people in the world who could write =
intelligible Klingon sentences of moderate complexity. I should be =
farther along in my conversational skills than I am, but that would have =
required a life I didn=E2=80=99t quite lead. I=E2=80=99m probably =
exceptional enough for my writing skill, and I should be content with =
that.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I pretty =
much have to be, not likely to start leading that life I didn=E2=80=99t =
lead earlier. And I don=E2=80=99t really want to try to say everything =
in these two last paragraphs in English. That would be remarkably =
challenging, given that much of it is =E2=80=9Cvague, wittering, and =
indecisive=E2=80=9D (after all these years, it=E2=80=99s still my =
favorite phrase to describe the contrast between English and Klingon =
language =E2=80=94 kudos to the guy who said that first, so long =
ago).</div>
<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 9, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Robyn Stewart <<a =
href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca" =
class=3D"">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">maj. (well done)<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">The =E2=80=9Cyou=E2=80=9D equivalent of jIH is SoH. SoH means =
=E2=80=9Cyou=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cyou are=E2=80=9D just the way jIH =
means =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CI am=E2=80=9D.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">So to continue our conversation, I could agree with you, and =
say =E2=80=9CHuman SoH.=E2=80=9D<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">But =
stating the obvious to make idle conversation would not be a very =
Klingon thing to do. Instead I=E2=80=99ll insult you and say =
Ha=E2=80=99DIbaH SoH, which means =E2=80=9CYou are a cur,=E2=80=9D and =
would be quite Klingon. Insult me back, and then we=E2=80=99ll =
progress to another conversational tactic.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">(Other spectators who =
think they are light years from Klingon conversation are welcome to join =
in).<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""> </span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">- =
Qov<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""> </span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>HoD qunnoQ [<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>October 9, 2015 11:20<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Robyn Stewart<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>tlhIngan Hol mailing =
list<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star =
Trek VI The Undiscovered Country Klingon Dialogue<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Human jIH <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">(I picked an easy one..)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">qunnoQ<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Robyn =
Stewart <<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Not=
really. You=E2=80=99re within wa=E2=80=99 netlh qelI=E2=80=99qam =
(~20,000 km) of every Klingon speaker there is, and thanks to the =
internet you can communicate with all of us within microseconds. It =
takes very little Klingon to have a conversation, and once you have that =
first conversation, you will have established a beachhead from which to =
conquer the language.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""> </span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Here=E2=80=99s the =
first thing I taught the beginners at qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99: how to say =
=E2=80=9CI am a ____=E2=80=9D. It is =E2=80=9C____ jIH.=E2=80=9D<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">jIH is a member of the chuvmey class of =
words. It acts as the prounoun =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=9D and also means =E2=80=9C=
I am.=E2=80=9D<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">tlhIngan jIH =3D I am a =
Klingon<br class=3D"">=E2=80=98orwI=E2=80=99 jIH =3D I am a =
pilot</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">tera=E2=80=99ngan jIH =3D=
I am an Earther<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Look up a word (has to be =
a noun) that you are, and tell me you are that.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Instead of looking at the Klingon language as a massive =
challenge you have to be someone special to meet, or psyche yourself up =
to begin, just learn one thing at a time until qaSta=E2=80=99! You have =
learned it.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""> </span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">- Qov</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>HoD qunnoQ [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: =
purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>October 9, 2015 4:43<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Robyn Stewart<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>tlhIngan Hol mailing =
list</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star =
Trek VI The Undiscovered Country Klingon Dialogue<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""> <o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif;">><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Regardless, I =
will be delighted to converse with you in intelligibly-spoken Klingon, =
no matter what your spit range might be.</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">I would be delighted too,but unfortunately =
i'm light years away from being able to actually converse with someone =
in Klingon..</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">qunnoQ</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""> <o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Robyn =
Stewart <<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Different languages _<i class=3D"">are</i>_ spoken in =
different ways. Klingon does have to be spoken somewhat forcefully to =
distinguish between some of the raspy consonants. The rhythm of Italian =
helps to distinguish between doubled and single consonants. =
Russian declarative sentences are said with a kind of monotone, falling =
off at the end. If I were to speak Russian fluently and with the =
peppy little rises and falls of my native language, it wouldn=E2=80=99t =
sound right. I=E2=80=99m still weirded out by the instruction that =
it is incorrect to speak Cree with emotion in my voice, that the old =
western stereotype of the Indian guide saying =E2=80=9Call my family =
die=E2=80=9D in the same flat tone as =E2=80=9Csoon will rain=E2=80=9D =
is based in truth. I had a Korean student who knew English quite well, =
with reasonable pronunciation but was really hard to understand because =
he used the rhythm of his own language. When I tried to get him to put =
longer pauses in so an examiner could understand, he protested that he =
didn=E2=80=99t want to sound stupid. This was before YouTube, so I =
had to get him to take my word for it that great speeches in English =
show that its skilled speakers SLOW DOWN to sound smart.</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Speaking Klingon with the fluent rhythm of =
English is probably as wrong as speaking it with the rhythm of Italian =
or Japanese. The =E2=80=98native=E2=80=99 Klingon speakers we hear tend =
to speak in a staccato manner, yet Azetbur manages to do it without =
overly chewing the scenery. Perhaps it=E2=80=99s because of her gender, =
or is an affectation. Regardless, I will be delighted to converse with =
you in intelligibly-spoken Klingon, no matter what your spit range might =
be.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""> </span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">- Qov</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div=
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""> </span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>HoD qunnoQ [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: =
purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>October 8, 2015 13:06<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lieven<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org</a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star =
Trek VI The Undiscovered Country Klingon Dialogue</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""> <o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;">indeed.. if i ever managed to become proficient in Klingon,so as =
to speak it like i speak my native language,then this is the way i would =
like to speak it ; mildly and relaxed. i don't know why,but this manner =
of speaking appeals to me as more instinctive and natural.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">qunnoQ<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""> <o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 =
at 9:46 PM, Lieven <<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de" =
target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">levinius@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Am 08.10.2015 um 17:54 schrieb HoD =
qunnoQ:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">nuqneH<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">i made this =
observation...<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">That's a very good observation, and it's more =
important than what most people would believe it to be.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Indeed, I guess it's simply the actor who speaks a bit =
differently than others. Perhabs it was even done intentional, because =
Azetbur was sad?<br class=3D"">Maybe it's because she's a woman. I don't =
know, compare to Valkris or Uhura (although she's not klingon, so maybe =
she doesn't count)<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Anyhow, I love showing =
this scene to my students because it makes clear that one can speak =
klingon in a very natural way, as opposed to what many people believe is =
that you need to shout and bark klingon all the time.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Klingon can be spoken like a natural language, and Azetbur =
has proven this quite well in that scene.<span style=3D"color: rgb(136, =
136, 136);" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">--<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br =
class=3D"">Lieven L. Litaer<br class=3D"">aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br =
class=3D"">Grammarian of the KLI<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher</a><br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.klingonwiki.net/" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: =
purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">http://www.klingonwiki.net</a><br class=3D""><br =
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