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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country Klingon
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (HoD qunnoQ)
Fri Oct 9 07:43:43 2015
In-Reply-To: <002201d10217$0732fb20$1598f160$@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 14:43:09 +0300
From: HoD qunnoQ <mihkoun@gmail.com>
To: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Cc: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
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>Regardless, I will be delighted to converse with you in
intelligibly-spoken Klingon, no matter what your spit range might be.
I would be delighted too,but unfortunately i'm light years away from being
able to actually converse with someone in Klingon..
qunnoQ
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote:
> Different languages _*are*_ spoken in different ways. Klingon does have
> to be spoken somewhat forcefully to distinguish between some of the raspy
> consonants. The rhythm of Italian helps to distinguish between doubled an=
d
> single consonants. Russian declarative sentences are said with a kind of
> monotone, falling off at the end. If I were to speak Russian fluently an=
d
> with the peppy little rises and falls of my native language, it wouldn=E2=
=80=99t
> sound right. I=E2=80=99m still weirded out by the instruction that it is=
incorrect
> to speak Cree with emotion in my voice, that the old western stereotype o=
f
> the Indian guide saying =E2=80=9Call my family die=E2=80=9D in the same f=
lat tone as =E2=80=9Csoon
> will rain=E2=80=9D is based in truth. I had a Korean student who knew Eng=
lish quite
> well, with reasonable pronunciation but was really hard to understand
> because he used the rhythm of his own language. When I tried to get him t=
o
> put longer pauses in so an examiner could understand, he protested that h=
e
> didn=E2=80=99t want to sound stupid. This was before YouTube, so I had t=
o get him
> to take my word for it that great speeches in English show that its skill=
ed
> speakers SLOW DOWN to sound smart.
>
> Speaking Klingon with the fluent rhythm of English is probably as wrong a=
s
> speaking it with the rhythm of Italian or Japanese. The =E2=80=98native=
=E2=80=99 Klingon
> speakers we hear tend to speak in a staccato manner, yet Azetbur manages =
to
> do it without overly chewing the scenery. Perhaps it=E2=80=99s because of=
her
> gender, or is an affectation. Regardless, I will be delighted to converse
> with you in intelligibly-spoken Klingon, no matter what your spit range
> might be.
>
>
>
> - Qov
>
>
>
> *From:* HoD qunnoQ [mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* October 8, 2015 13:06
> *To:* Lieven
> *Cc:* tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country
> Klingon Dialogue
>
>
>
> indeed.. if i ever managed to become proficient in Klingon,so as to speak
> it like i speak my native language,then this is the way i would like to
> speak it ; mildly and relaxed. i don't know why,but this manner of speaki=
ng
> appeals to me as more instinctive and natural.
>
> qunnoQ
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Am 08.10.2015 um 17:54 schrieb HoD qunnoQ:
>
> nuqneH
>
> i made this observation...
>
>
> That's a very good observation, and it's more important than what most
> people would believe it to be.
>
> Indeed, I guess it's simply the actor who speaks a bit differently than
> others. Perhabs it was even done intentional, because Azetbur was sad?
> Maybe it's because she's a woman. I don't know, compare to Valkris or
> Uhura (although she's not klingon, so maybe she doesn't count)
>
> Anyhow, I love showing this scene to my students because it makes clear
> that one can speak klingon in a very natural way, as opposed to what many
> people believe is that you need to shout and bark klingon all the time.
>
> Klingon can be spoken like a natural language, and Azetbur has proven thi=
s
> quite well in that scene.
>
>
> --
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
> Grammarian of the KLI
> http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
> http://www.klingonwiki.net
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Regardless, =
I will be delighted to converse with you in intelligibly-spoken Klingon, no=
matter what your spit range might be.<br><br></span></div><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:=
rgb(31,73,125)">I would be delighted too,but unfortunately i'm light ye=
ars away from being able to actually converse with someone in Klingon..<br>=
<br></span></div><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri&qu=
ot;,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">qunnoQ<br></span></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 =
at 1:16 AM, Robyn Stewart <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@fly=
ingstart.ca" target=3D"_blank">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>></span> wrote:<b=
r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=
=3D"EN-CA"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Different=
languages _<i>are</i>_ spoken in different ways. Klingon does have to be s=
poken somewhat forcefully to distinguish between some of the raspy consonan=
ts. The rhythm of Italian helps to distinguish between doubled and single c=
onsonants.=C2=A0 Russian declarative sentences are said with a kind of mono=
tone, falling off at the end.=C2=A0 If I were to speak Russian fluently and=
with the peppy little rises and falls of my native language, it wouldn=E2=
=80=99t sound right.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m still weirded out by the instruction=
that it is incorrect to speak Cree with emotion in my voice, that the old =
western stereotype of the Indian guide saying =E2=80=9Call my family die=E2=
=80=9D in the same flat tone as =E2=80=9Csoon will rain=E2=80=9D is based i=
n truth. I had a Korean student who knew English quite well, with reasonabl=
e pronunciation but was really hard to understand because he used the rhyth=
m of his own language. When I tried to get him to put longer pauses in so a=
n examiner could understand, he protested that he didn=E2=80=99t want to so=
und stupid.=C2=A0 This was before YouTube, so I had to get him to take my w=
ord for it that great speeches in English show that its skilled speakers SL=
OW DOWN to sound smart.<br> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans=
-serif";color:#1f497d">Speaking Klingon with the fluent rhythm of Engl=
ish is probably as wrong as speaking it with the rhythm of Italian or Japan=
ese. The =E2=80=98native=E2=80=99 Klingon speakers we hear tend to speak in=
a staccato manner, yet Azetbur manages to do it without overly chewing the=
scenery. Perhaps it=E2=80=99s because of her gender, or is an affectation.=
Regardless, I will be delighted to converse with you in intelligibly-spoke=
n Klingon, no matter what your spit range might be.<u></u><u></u></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">- Qov<u></u><u></u=
></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang=3D"EN-US">From=
:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",=
"sans-serif"" lang=3D"EN-US"> HoD qunnoQ [mailto:<a href=3D"mailt=
o:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:<=
/b> October 8, 2015 13:06<br><b>To:</b> Lieven<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mai=
lto:tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org" target=3D"_blank">tlhingan-hol@s=
todi.digitalkingdom.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek=
VI The Undiscovered Country Klingon Dialogue<u></u><u></u></span></p><div>=
<div class=3D"h5"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">indeed.. if i ever ma=
naged to become proficient in Klingon,so as to speak it like i speak my nat=
ive language,then this is the way i would like to speak it ; mildly and rel=
axed. i don't know why,but this manner of speaking appeals to me as mor=
e instinctive and natural.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">qu=
nnoQ<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Lieven <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>&g=
t; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Am 08.10.2015 um 17:54 sc=
hrieb HoD qunnoQ:<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">nuqneH<br><br>i m=
ade this observation...<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>That=
9;s a very good observation, and it's more important than what most peo=
ple would believe it to be.<br><br>Indeed, I guess it's simply the acto=
r who speaks a bit differently than others. Perhabs it was even done intent=
ional, because Azetbur was sad?<br>Maybe it's because she's a woman=
. I don't know, compare to Valkris or Uhura (although she's not kli=
ngon, so maybe she doesn't count)<br><br>Anyhow, I love showing this sc=
ene to my students because it makes clear that one can speak klingon in a v=
ery natural way, as opposed to what many people believe is that you need to=
shout and bark klingon all the time.<br><br>Klingon can be spoken like a n=
atural language, and Azetbur has proven this quite well in that scene.<span=
style=3D"color:#888888"><br><br><br><span>-- </span><br><span>Lieven L. Li=
taer</span><br><span>aka Quvar valer 'utlh</span><br><span>Grammarian o=
f the KLI</span><br><span><a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher=
" target=3D"_blank">http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher</a></span><br><s=
pan><a href=3D"http://www.klingonwiki.net" target=3D"_blank">http://www.kli=
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