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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Thu Oct 8 18:17:04 2015
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
To: <tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 15:16:48 -0700
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Different languages _are_ spoken in different ways. Klingon does have to =
be spoken somewhat forcefully to distinguish between some of the raspy =
consonants. The rhythm of Italian helps to distinguish between doubled =
and single consonants. Russian declarative sentences are said with a =
kind of monotone, falling off at the end. If I were to speak Russian =
fluently and with the peppy little rises and falls of my native =
language, it wouldn=E2=80=99t sound right. I=E2=80=99m still weirded =
out by the instruction that it is incorrect to speak Cree with emotion =
in my voice, that the old western stereotype of the Indian guide saying =
=E2=80=9Call my family die=E2=80=9D in the same flat tone as =
=E2=80=9Csoon will rain=E2=80=9D is based in truth. I had a Korean =
student who knew English quite well, with reasonable pronunciation but =
was really hard to understand because he used the rhythm of his own =
language. When I tried to get him to put longer pauses in so an examiner =
could understand, he protested that he didn=E2=80=99t want to sound =
stupid. This was before YouTube, so I had to get him to take my word =
for it that great speeches in English show that its skilled speakers =
SLOW DOWN to sound smart.
Speaking Klingon with the fluent rhythm of English is probably as wrong =
as speaking it with the rhythm of Italian or Japanese. The =
=E2=80=98native=E2=80=99 Klingon speakers we hear tend to speak in a =
staccato manner, yet Azetbur manages to do it without overly chewing the =
scenery. Perhaps it=E2=80=99s because of her gender, or is an =
affectation. Regardless, I will be delighted to converse with you in =
intelligibly-spoken Klingon, no matter what your spit range might be.
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- Qov
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From: HoD qunnoQ [mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com]=20
Sent: October 8, 2015 13:06
To: Lieven
Cc: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country =
Klingon Dialogue
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indeed.. if i ever managed to become proficient in Klingon,so as to =
speak it like i speak my native language,then this is the way i would =
like to speak it ; mildly and relaxed. i don't know why,but this manner =
of speaking appeals to me as more instinctive and natural.
qunnoQ
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On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 08.10.2015 um 17:54 schrieb HoD qunnoQ:
nuqneH
i made this observation...
That's a very good observation, and it's more important than what most =
people would believe it to be.
Indeed, I guess it's simply the actor who speaks a bit differently than =
others. Perhabs it was even done intentional, because Azetbur was sad?
Maybe it's because she's a woman. I don't know, compare to Valkris or =
Uhura (although she's not klingon, so maybe she doesn't count)
Anyhow, I love showing this scene to my students because it makes clear =
that one can speak klingon in a very natural way, as opposed to what =
many people believe is that you need to shout and bark klingon all the =
time.
Klingon can be spoken like a natural language, and Azetbur has proven =
this quite well in that scene.
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Lieven L. Litaer
aka Quvar valer 'utlh
Grammarian of the KLI
http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
http://www.klingonwiki.net
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D'>Different languages _<i>are</i>_ spoken in different ways. Klingon =
does have to be spoken somewhat forcefully to distinguish between some =
of the raspy consonants. The rhythm of Italian helps to distinguish =
between doubled and single consonants. =C2=A0Russian declarative =
sentences are said with a kind of monotone, falling off at the =
end.=C2=A0 If I were to speak Russian fluently and with the peppy little =
rises and falls of my native language, it wouldn=E2=80=99t sound =
right.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m still weirded out by the instruction that it is =
incorrect to speak Cree with emotion in my voice, that the old western =
stereotype of the Indian guide saying =E2=80=9Call my family =
die=E2=80=9D in the same flat tone as =E2=80=9Csoon will rain=E2=80=9D =
is based in truth. I had a Korean student who knew English quite well, =
with reasonable pronunciation but was really hard to understand because =
he used the rhythm of his own language. When I tried to get him to put =
longer pauses in so an examiner could understand, he protested that he =
didn=E2=80=99t want to sound stupid.=C2=A0 This was before YouTube, so I =
had to get him to take my word for it that great speeches in English =
show that its skilled speakers SLOW DOWN to sound smart.<br> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Speaking Klingon with the fluent rhythm of English is probably as =
wrong as speaking it with the rhythm of Italian or Japanese. The =
=E2=80=98native=E2=80=99 Klingon speakers we hear tend to speak in a =
staccato manner, yet Azetbur manages to do it without overly chewing the =
scenery. Perhaps it=E2=80=99s because of her gender, or is an =
affectation. Regardless, I will be delighted to converse with you in =
intelligibly-spoken Klingon, no matter what your spit range might =
be.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> HoD qunnoQ =
[mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> October 8, 2015 =
13:06<br><b>To:</b> Lieven<br><b>Cc:</b> =
tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country Klingon =
Dialogue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>indeed.. if i ever managed to become =
proficient in Klingon,so as to speak it like i speak my native =
language,then this is the way i would like to speak it ; mildly and =
relaxed. i don't know why,but this manner of speaking appeals to me as =
more instinctive and natural.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>qunnoQ<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, =
Oct 8, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Lieven <<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de" =
target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Am 08.10.2015 um 17:54 schrieb HoD =
qunnoQ:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>nuqneH<br><br>i made this =
observation...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><br>That's a very good =
observation, and it's more important than what most people would believe =
it to be.<br><br>Indeed, I guess it's simply the actor who speaks a bit =
differently than others. Perhabs it was even done intentional, because =
Azetbur was sad?<br>Maybe it's because she's a woman. I don't know, =
compare to Valkris or Uhura (although she's not klingon, so maybe she =
doesn't count)<br><br>Anyhow, I love showing this scene to my students =
because it makes clear that one can speak klingon in a very natural way, =
as opposed to what many people believe is that you need to shout and =
bark klingon all the time.<br><br>Klingon can be spoken like a natural =
language, and Azetbur has proven this quite well in that scene.<span =
style=3D'color:#888888'><br><br><br><span class=3Dhoenzb>-- =
</span><br><span class=3Dhoenzb>Lieven L. Litaer</span><br><span =
class=3Dhoenzb>aka Quvar valer 'utlh</span><br><span =
class=3Dhoenzb>Grammarian of the KLI</span><br><span class=3Dhoenzb><a =
href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher</a></span><br><s=
pan class=3Dhoenzb><a href=3D"http://www.klingonwiki.net" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.klingonwiki.net</a></span><br><br><span =
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