[101277] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Canon: Associate Producer
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (HoD qunnoQ)
Sat Oct 3 11:37:18 2015
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 18:37:03 +0300
From: HoD qunnoQ <mihkoun@gmail.com>
To: "lojmIt tI'wI' nuv" <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
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a fellow member of the list,pointed out earlier that a klingon word cannot
end with "nD". could someone point out what other word endings are
inappropriate/nonexistent in klingon ?
On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 4:29 PM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com
> wrote:
> As Okrand explained, English has no soft onset for vowel-first syllables,
> so, unless you speak Hawaiian like a native, you don't know what soft onset
> sounds like or feels like because you've never done it or heard it during
> your language-formative years. It's like trying to explain "L"s and "R"s to
> someone who has exclusively spoken languages that lack them, or like
> explaining the difference between "pin" and "pen" to someone who speaks a
> dialect that pronounces them exactly alike. The difference is smaller to
> his ear than the difference between two different people saying "pen", so
> he can't hear which of the two words anyone is saying.
>
> English starts vowel-first syllables with a glottal stop. Deal with it.
>
> My wife pronounces "where" and "wear" exactly alike and thinks my
> pronunciation of "where" is sufficiently alien to her to be no end of
> amusement. She pronounces "why" like the letter "Y". It leaves me wondering
> why she doesn't pronounce "who" as "woo". When I point that out, she
> becomes puzzled. She never thought about that until I pointed it out, then
> she just declares "That's just how it is," and avoids thinking about it
> further, since she prefers to think that her pronunciation is generally
> better than mine, when there is a difference.
>
> She also thinks that if a man says something in a forest and there is no
> woman there to hear him, yes, he is still wrong.
>
> Sent from my iPad
> lojmIt tI'wI' nuv
>
> > On Oct 3, 2015, at 4:25 AM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> > I wrote:
> >> Because in Klingon, no word starts with a vowel. Even from a linguistic
> >> view, in most languages, words woth vowels start with a glottal stop.
> >> Try saying "I ate eight egg" without the stop. I will sound like
> >> "hi-yate-tate-hags".
> >
> >> Am 22.09.2015 um 09:32 schrieb Anthony Appleyard:
> >> In my pronunciation of English (I am in England), the separator in
> "I-ate-eight-eggs" is a slight hesitation, and not a true glottal stop with
> closure of the glottis.
> >
> > This may be correct from a linguistic point of view, but my explanation
> is the very closest approachment I can get to explain this to a
> non-linguist, which are most of the Klingon students.
> >
> > It's also possible that my example does not work exactly in english as
> it does in German though.
> >
> > --
> > Lieven L. Litaer
> > aka Quvar valer 'utlh
> > Grammarian of the KLI
> > http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
> > http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Apostrophe
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">a fellow member of the list,pointed out earlier that a kli=
ngon word cannot end with "nD". could someone point out what othe=
r word endings are inappropriate/nonexistent in klingon ?<br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 4:=
29 PM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:lo=
jmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</a>>=
;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">As Okrand explained, Engl=
ish has no soft onset for vowel-first syllables, so, unless you speak Hawai=
ian like a native, you don't know what soft onset sounds like or feels =
like because you've never done it or heard it during your language-form=
ative years. It's like trying to explain "L"s and "R&quo=
t;s to someone who has exclusively spoken languages that lack them, or like=
explaining the difference between "pin" and "pen" to s=
omeone who speaks a dialect that pronounces them exactly alike. The differe=
nce is smaller to his ear than the difference between two different people =
saying "pen", so he can't hear which of the two words anyone =
is saying.<br>
<br>
English starts vowel-first syllables with a glottal stop. Deal with it.<br>
<br>
My wife pronounces "where" and "wear" exactly alike and=
thinks my pronunciation of "where" is sufficiently alien to her =
to be no end of amusement. She pronounces "why" like the letter &=
quot;Y". It leaves me wondering why she doesn't pronounce "wh=
o" as "woo". When I point that out, she becomes puzzled. She=
never thought about that until I pointed it out, then she just declares &q=
uot;That's just how it is," and avoids thinking about it further, =
since she prefers to think that her pronunciation is generally better than =
mine, when there is a difference.<br>
<br>
She also thinks that if a man says something in a forest and there is no wo=
man there to hear him, yes, he is still wrong.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">lojmIt tI'wI' nuv<br=
>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
> On Oct 3, 2015, at 4:25 AM, Lieven <<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.=
de">levinius@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I wrote:<br>
>> Because in Klingon, no word starts with a vowel. Even from a lingu=
istic<br>
>> view, in most languages, words woth vowels start with a glottal st=
op.<br>
>> Try saying "I ate eight egg" without the stop. I will so=
und like<br>
>> "hi-yate-tate-hags".<br>
><br>
>> Am 22.09.2015 um 09:32 schrieb Anthony Appleyard:<br>
>> In my pronunciation of English (I am in England), the separator in=
"I-ate-eight-eggs" is a slight hesitation, and not a true glotta=
l stop with closure of the glottis.<br>
><br>
> This may be correct from a linguistic point of view, but my explanatio=
n is the very closest approachment I can get to explain this to a non-lingu=
ist, which are most of the Klingon students.<br>
><br>
> It's also possible that my example does not work exactly in englis=
h as it does in German though.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Lieven L. Litaer<br>
> aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
> Grammarian of the KLI<br>
> <a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher" rel=3D"noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher</a><br>
> <a href=3D"http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Apostrophe" rel=3D"noreferrer=
" target=3D"_blank">http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Apostrophe</a><br>
><br>
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