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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qolqoS?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Mon Sep 14 09:07:26 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 09:07:07 -0400
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While your notes may be interesting, they lack authority without =
reference to Marc Okrand or Maltz. If you can=E2=80=99t remember where =
you got your definition, it is not a definition. It=E2=80=99s just your =
personal spin on how you=E2=80=99d like to use the word. We all can have =
personal spins on words. I do it all the time.
But I don=E2=80=99t argue that I can define the word for others, unless =
I can cite exactly where Marc Okrand gave us the word in exactly the =
form he offered it. Without that, we have no standards.
My own entry for this word is not very satisfying. It appears that I was =
interrupted while entering it.
Mine shows, =E2=80=9Ccore, essence=E2=80=9D as the only definition and =
"qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 (2007=E2=80=9D as the source. Note the unmatched =
parenthesis. I also had a check mark in a field named =E2=80=9CNeeds =
attention=E2=80=9D.
Anybody else have specific canon citations, rather than simply listing =
definitions that you have personally developed?
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:31 AM, Andr=C3=A9 M=C3=BCller =
<esperantist@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Surprisingly, my description is different again:
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> My main definition: fanatical core of a group; the most dedicated of a =
group
> My additional aids to help me find the word in the dictionary: core =
member*; essence*; part of something, essential*; heart*
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> I understand that it describes a person or a group of people who are =
indeed the biggest fans or experts among a larger group. I'm not sure if =
it could be used for an inanimate object which is the most important in =
a group of objects (like the highest peak in a mountain range).
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> - Andr=C3=A9
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> 2015-09-12 17:59 GMT+02:00 Michael Roney, Jr. <nahqun@gmail.com =
<mailto:nahqun@gmail.com>>:
> Trying to get my notes in order.
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> Do we have an actual definition of {qolqoS}?
> I checked a few different places and got this:
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> core, essence
> core, the (important) core of a group
> core of a group, the essential part of something; essence
> core, essence, heart
> core, heart
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> I think we can all agree on "core", but what about the rest?
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> ~naHQun
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> ~Michael Roney, Jr.
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">While your notes may be interesting, they =
lack authority without reference to Marc Okrand or Maltz. If you can=E2=80=
=99t remember where you got your definition, it is not a definition. =
It=E2=80=99s just your personal spin on how you=E2=80=99d like to use =
the word. We all can have personal spins on words. I do it all the =
time.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">But I =
don=E2=80=99t argue that I can define the word for others, unless I can =
cite exactly where Marc Okrand gave us the word in exactly the form he =
offered it. Without that, we have no standards.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">My own entry for this word is not very =
satisfying. It appears that I was interrupted while entering =
it.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Mine =
shows, =E2=80=9Ccore, essence=E2=80=9D as the only definition and =
"qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 (2007=E2=80=9D as the source. Note the unmatched =
parenthesis. I also had a check mark in a field named =E2=80=9CNeeds =
attention=E2=80=9D.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Anybody else have specific canon citations, rather than =
simply listing definitions that you have personally developed?</div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:31 AM, Andr=C3=A9 M=C3=BCller <<a =
href=3D"mailto:esperantist@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">esperantist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">Surprisingly, my description =
is different again:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">My main definition: =
fanatical core of a group; the most dedicated of a group<br class=3D"">My =
additional aids to help me find the word in the dictionary: core =
member*; essence*; part of something, essential*; heart*<br class=3D""><br=
class=3D""></div>I understand that it describes a person or a group of =
people who are indeed the biggest fans or experts among a larger group. =
I'm not sure if it could be used for an inanimate object which is the =
most important in a group of objects (like the highest peak in a =
mountain range).<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>- Andr=C3=A9<br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">2015-09-12 17:59 GMT+02:00 Michael Roney, Jr. =
<span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><<a href=3D"mailto:nahqun@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">nahqun@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br =
class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Trying to get my notes in order.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Do we have an actual definition of =
{qolqoS}?</div><div class=3D"">I checked a few different places and got =
this:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">core, essence</div><div class=3D"">core, the (important) core =
of a group</div><div class=3D"">core of a group, the essential part of =
something; essence</div><div class=3D"">core, essence, heart</div><div =
class=3D"">core, heart</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I think we can all agree on "core", but what about the =
rest?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">~naHQun</div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>-- <br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">~Michael Roney, Jr.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><a href=3D"http://www.twitter.com/roneyii" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://www.twitter.com/roneyii</a><br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://plus.google.com/+MichaelRoneyJr/" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://plus.google.com/+MichaelRoneyJr/</a></div>
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