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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qepHom 2015 with Marc Okrand
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Elizabeth Lawrence)
Sat Mar 28 18:20:32 2015
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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 18:20:14 -0400
From: Elizabeth Lawrence <elizabeth.lawrence08@gmail.com>
Cc: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
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It's dangerous to use English words as examples for vowel sounds, because
of all the regional variation. However, (at least in northeastern American
English) the word cop does rhyme with shop, so the example is confusing.
Sop would rhyme (approximately) with cope. (Also rhyming: mope, dope, etc.=
)
be''etlh
On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 28.03.2015 um 14:30 schrieb SuStel:
>
>> It really doesn't. As described in THE KLINGON DICTIONARY, {o} sounds
>> the same as {ow}, or /o=CA=8A/, a diphthong.
>>
>
> Most of the time I agree with you, but not here.
>
> TKD does not say anything about a diphthong here, or a sound like [o=CA=
=8A].
> The only written description is "o as in english mosaic". When editing th=
e
> german Klingon dictionary, I talked to Okrand, and he said this was maybe=
a
> bad example, because few people say [mow-zay-eek] instead of [mo-za-eek].
>
> This example only intended to make clear it's the [o] as in "cop", so the
> word {Sop} should not rhyme with "shop". Say {bom} as [bom], not [bo=CA=
=8Am].
>
> PS: Even Okrand sometimes did not follow his own rules, for instance on
> one of the tapes he says {SoH} like [S=C9=94X] instead of [SoX]. (But he =
still
> never said [So=CA=8AX]).
>
> Sorry for nitpicking, but this is an important detail.
>
> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr">It's dangerous to use English words as examples for vo=
wel sounds, because of all the regional variation.=C2=A0 However, (at least=
in northeastern American English) the word cop does rhyme with shop, so th=
e example is confusing.=C2=A0 Sop would rhyme (approximately) with cope. =
=C2=A0(Also rhyming: mope, dope, etc.)<div><br></div><div>be''etlh<=
/div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat=
, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Lieven <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:l=
evinius@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">Am 28.03.2015 um 14:30 schr=
ieb SuStel:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
It really doesn't. As described in THE KLINGON DICTIONARY, {o} sounds<b=
r>
the same as {ow}, or /o=CA=8A/, a diphthong.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
Most of the time I agree with you, but not here.<br>
<br>
TKD does not say anything about a diphthong here, or a sound like [o=CA=8A]=
. The only written description is "o as in english mosaic". When =
editing the german Klingon dictionary, I talked to Okrand, and he said this=
was maybe a bad example, because few people say [mow-zay-eek] instead of [=
mo-za-eek].<br>
<br>
This example only intended to make clear it's the [o] as in "cop&q=
uot;, so the word {Sop} should not rhyme with "shop". Say {bom} a=
s [bom], not [bo=CA=8Am].<br>
<br>
PS: Even Okrand sometimes did not follow his own rules, for instance on one=
of the tapes he says {SoH} like [S=C9=94X] instead of [SoX]. (But he still=
never said [So=CA=8AX]).<br>
<br>
Sorry for nitpicking, but this is an important detail.<span class=3D"im HOE=
nZb"><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/www.facebook.com/<u></u>Klingonteacher</a><br>
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wiki.net</a><br>
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