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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] no' Hol & Paramount Hol in Bing
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Fri Mar 6 10:45:06 2015
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 07:43:57 -0800
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I mean non-productive in the sense that the grammar can't be taken apart to p=
roduce new, related phrases like "my blood flows" or "my niece sings." (Alth=
ough I think "veni video visa" is a fairly awesome counter example).=20
Yes, I suppose there is that possibility. I'll see if there's someway to blo=
ck it, perhaps overwhelming it with examples of bom 'IwwIj.=20
> On Mar 6, 2015, at 6:29, David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com> wrote:
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> When you say, "non-productive," Do you mean that it won't use it to learn o=
r that it will never produce that when going from English to tlhIngan Hol? I=
s there any chance that some one might type in, "my blood sings," and get ba=
ck {bom jIH Doq}?
>=20
> --- Original Message ---
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> From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
> Sent: March 5, 2015 7:13 PM
> To: "tlhIngan Hol mailing list" <tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org>
> Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] no' Hol & Paramount Hol in Bing
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> I=92m currently removing Paramount Hol and fan gibberish from the database=
the Bing engine uses to calculate how tlhIngan Hol works, but there exist s=
everal fixed expressions that probably SHOULD be in the lexicon. The Bing t=
eam has a way to mark these as non-productive, like English =93lest we forge=
t=94 and =93if it ain=92t broke don=92t fix it.=94 Help me compile a list of=
such expressions. This is what I have so far:
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> Delaq Do' - take your stations
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> ghIj ghet jaghmeyjaj - may your enemies run in fear
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> ghIqtal - to the death
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> jIH Doq - my blood
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> mova' 'aqI' ruStaq - Today was a good day to die
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> - Qov
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I mean non-productive in the sense tha=
t the grammar can't be taken apart to produce new, related phrases like "my b=
lood flows" or "my niece sings." (Although I think "veni video visa" is a fa=
irly awesome counter example). </div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I suppose=
there is that possibility. I'll see if there's someway to block it, perhaps=
overwhelming it with examples of bom 'IwwIj. </div><div><br>On Mar 6, 2=
015, at 6:29, David Holt <<a href=3D"mailto:kenjutsuka@live.com">kenjutsu=
ka@live.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">When you say, "non-productive," Do you mean that it=
won't use it to learn or that it will never produce that when going from En=
glish to tlhIngan Hol? Is there any chance that some one might type in=
, "my blood sings," and get back {bom
jIH Doq}?<br>
<br>
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From: "Robyn Stewart" <<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca">robyn@flyi=
ngstart.ca</a>><br>
Sent: March 5, 2015 7:13 PM<br>
To: "tlhIngan Hol mailing list" <<a href=3D"mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org">=
tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org</a>><br>
Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] no' Hol & Paramount Hol in Bing<br>
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<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">I</font></span><s=
pan lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">=E2=80=99m currently removing Para=
mount Hol and fan gibberish from the database the Bing engine uses to calcul=
ate how tlhIngan Hol works, but there exist several</font></span><span lang=3D=
"en-ca">
<font face=3D"Calibri">fixed</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D=
"Calibri">
expressions that probably SHOULD</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font fac=
e=3D"Calibri"> be in the lexicon. The Bing team has a way to mark thes=
e as non</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">-</font></=
span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">productive,
like English</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">=E2=80=
=9Clest we forget=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cif it ain=E2=80=99t broke don=E2=80=99=
t fix it.=E2=80=9D Help me compile a list of</font></span><span lang=3D"en-c=
a">
<font face=3D"Calibri">such expressions. This is what I have so far:</font><=
/span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">Delaq Do' - take y=
our stations</font></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">ghIj ghet jaghmey=
jaj - may your enemies run in fear</font></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">ghIqtal - to the d=
eath </font>
</span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">jIH Doq - my bloo=
d</font></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">mova' 'aqI' ruSta=
q - Today was a good day to die</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span></p=
>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">- Qov</font></spa=
n><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span></p>
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