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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Month sentences
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Fri Feb 27 13:11:55 2015
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
In-Reply-To: <B2242F4C-8718-4D69-830C-7CE4D21FCBF9@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:11:29 -0800
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From: lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com [mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com]=20
Sent: February 27, 2015 8:46
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Month sentences
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Oh, and just a note about strange moon math:
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People might commonly look up at the Moon and say, =E2=80=9COh, =
that=E2=80=99s a half moon,=E2=80=9D because it=E2=80=99s half =
illuminated. Nope. That=E2=80=99s either a first quarter moon or a third =
quarter moon, because the fraction refers to the life cycle of the =
moon=E2=80=99s illumination, not to the percentage of illumination. So, =
the boundary between waxing quarter and waxing gibbous is First Quarter, =
and the boundary between waning gibbous and waning quarter is Third =
Quarter. There is no =E2=80=9CHalf Moon=E2=80=9D, unless you are =
referring to the Full Moon, which technically is a Half Moon, but nobody =
calls it that, because, well, it=E2=80=99s fully illuminated.
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It=E2=80=99s not weirder than having clocks that go from 1 to 12 to =
count the number of hours in a 24 hour day, or having months of a fixed =
number of days each year, but vary among themselves irregularly between =
30 and 31 days, except for February, which is 28 days, except for Leap =
Years, during which it=E2=80=99s 29 days long=E2=80=A6
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Most time-related math is weird, especially at warp speed.
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lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh
Retired Door Repair Guy
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On Feb 27, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> =
wrote:
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That=E2=80=99s why I like these two puns: they=E2=80=99re clever, not =
too obvious (as the questions in this thread indicate), and apt (since =
phases of the moon relate to months).
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Voragh
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From: <mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com> lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com [ =
<mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com> mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:23 AM
After a New Moon (the dark one), when the moon=E2=80=99s phase is =
increasing the size of the illuminated part of the moon each night, it =
is =E2=80=9Cwaxing=E2=80=9D. It continues to wax until a full moon, =
after which it =E2=80=9Cwanes=E2=80=9D. So, the phases are typically =
called:
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New Moon
Waxing quarter
Waxing gibbous
Full Moon
Waning gibbous
Waning quarter
New Moon
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This falls under =E2=80=9CStuff I learned from an iPad app=E2=80=9D.
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On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Robyn Stewart < =
<mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca> robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote:
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Yes, I have waQ and wen in the sentences, but you=E2=80=99ll have to =
explain the puns for me. I=E2=80=99ve been saying them over and over =
again and nothing twigs. I think I initially remembered =E2=80=98way =
back when=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98a whack of time from now=E2=80=99.
=20
- Qov
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From: Steven Boozer [ <mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu> =
mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu]=20
Sent: February 26, 2015 6:36
Robyn Stewart:
> Here=E2=80=99s what I have so far to retrain the Hub system on =
=E2=80=9Cmonth.=E2=80=9D...
I don=E2=80=99t remember if you mentioned it before, but don=E2=80=99t =
forget to add {waQ} and {wen} to the mix:
IMO, HQ 8.3: Another pair of words of this type refers to months: {wen} =
=E2=80=9Cmonths ago=E2=80=9D, {waQ} =E2=80=9Cmonths from now=E2=80=9D. =
Thus, {loSwen} is =E2=80=9Cfour months ago=E2=80=9D and {wa'waQ} is =
=E2=80=9Cnext month=E2=80=9D (one month from now).=20
They=E2=80=99re two of my favorite Okrandian puns/mnemonics.
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lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com [mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> February 27, 2015 8:46<br><b>To:</b> =
tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Month =
sentences<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Oh, and =
just a note about strange moon math:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>People might commonly look up at the Moon and say, =
=E2=80=9COh, that=E2=80=99s a half moon,=E2=80=9D because it=E2=80=99s =
half illuminated. Nope. That=E2=80=99s either a first quarter moon or a =
third quarter moon, because the fraction refers to the life cycle of the =
moon=E2=80=99s illumination, not to the percentage of illumination. So, =
the boundary between waxing quarter and waxing gibbous is First Quarter, =
and the boundary between waning gibbous and waning quarter is Third =
Quarter. There is no =E2=80=9CHalf Moon=E2=80=9D, unless you are =
referring to the Full Moon, which technically is a Half Moon, but nobody =
calls it that, because, well, it=E2=80=99s fully =
illuminated.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It=E2=80=99s not weirder than having clocks that go =
from 1 to 12 to count the number of hours in a 24 hour day, or having =
months of a fixed number of days each year, but vary among themselves =
irregularly between 30 and 31 days, except for February, which is 28 =
days, except for Leap Years, during which it=E2=80=99s 29 days =
long=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Most time-related math is weird, especially at warp =
speed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>lojmIt =
tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Retired Door Repair Guy<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Feb 27, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Steven Boozer <<a =
href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>That=E2=80=99s why I like these two puns: they=E2=80=99re clever, =
not too obvious (as the questions in this thread indicate), and apt =
(since phases of the moon relate to =
months).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>Voragh</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span=
></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</span></a><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>[<a =
href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</span></a>]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Friday, February 27, 2015 =
10:23 AM<br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>After a New Moon (the dark one), when the =
moon=E2=80=99s phase is increasing the size of the illuminated part of =
the moon each night, it is =E2=80=9Cwaxing=E2=80=9D. It continues to wax =
until a full moon, after which it =E2=80=9Cwanes=E2=80=9D. So, the =
phases are typically called:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>New Moon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Waxing quarter<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Waxing gibbous<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Full Moon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Waning gibbous<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Waning quarter<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>New Moon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>This falls under =E2=80=9CStuff I learned from an iPad =
app=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Robyn Stewart <<a =
href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>robyn@flyingstart.ca</span></a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Yes, I have waQ and wen in the sentences, but you=E2=80=99ll have to =
explain the puns for me. I=E2=80=99ve been saying them over and over =
again and nothing twigs. I think I initially remembered =E2=80=98way =
back when=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98a whack of time from =
now=E2=80=99.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>- Qov</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span=
></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Steven =
Boozer [<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu</span></a>]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>February 26, 2015 =
6:36<br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal> <span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Robyn =
Stewart:<br></span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> Here=E2=80=99s what I =
have so far to retrain the Hub system on =
=E2=80=9Cmonth.=E2=80=9D...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>I don=E2=80=99t remember if you mentioned it before, but don=E2=80=99t =
forget to add {waQ} and {wen} to the mix:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>IMO, HQ 8.3: Another pair of words of this type refers to months: =
{wen} =E2=80=9Cmonths ago=E2=80=9D, {waQ} =E2=80=9Cmonths from =
now=E2=80=9D. Thus, {loSwen} is =E2=80=9Cfour months ago=E2=80=9D and =
{wa'waQ} is =E2=80=9Cnext month=E2=80=9D (one month from now).<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>They=E2=80=99re two of my favorite Okrandian =
puns/mnemonics.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
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