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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Nonsense words
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Wed Feb 25 13:12:51 2015
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
In-Reply-To: <ACF6622D959A8842A81E4471BA56A7E04BD5C8DE@xm-mbx-04-prod.ad.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:12:26 -0800
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QaQ qechlIj, voragh.
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From: Steven Boozer [mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu]=20
Sent: February 25, 2015 8:33
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Nonsense words
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I quite agree. I was suggesting Qov verify that these didn=92t make it =
into
the Bing database by mistake =96 like *Maktag* did.
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--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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From: lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com [mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 10:28 AM
I seriously doubt that Okrand vetted ANY of these =93month=94 names, and =
I don=92t
feel responsible for memorizing every impossible-to-pronounce junk word =
that
any fiction writer comes up with for a character pretending to speak
Klingon.
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If the author doesn=92t respect the language enough to work something =
out with
Marc Okrand, I don=92t respect the author enough to learn the words or =
add
them to any lexicon.
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lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh
Retired Door Repair Guy
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On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
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Qov, another Klingon month name from the episodes you might want to =
check is
*Nay=92Poq*:
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Kohlar asked the pregnant B'Elanna, "Did you conceive during
the holy month of *Nay'Poq*?" (VOY "Prophecy"; why this month
is holy was not explained)
Also *Lo'Bral*, *Soo'jen*, *Merruthj* and *Xan'lahr* are other months =
"in
the Year of Kahless" sequence from Michael A. Martin & Andy Mangels'
Excelsior: Forged in Fire [2007].
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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On Feb 24, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Robyn Stewart < =
<mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca>
robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote:
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Perfect. That=92s just what I was hoping: it=92s the name of a =
*particular*
month=97in a particular culture on a particular planet. So I don=92t =
have to
disprove it.
Now if everyone, of any ability, would write me a few Klingon sentences
whose English translation contains the word =93month=94 or =93season=94 =
we can
retrain it. Don=92t stretch yourself. Write within your ability. E-mail =
to me,
include the English translation and then I will post the list for us to =
typo
check.
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- Qov
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From: Felix Malmenbeck [ <mailto:felixm@kth.se> mailto:felixm@kth.se]=20
Sent: February 24, 2015 15:19
> Maktag=20
>maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" (TNG). At =
least
43 days long.]
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>Is anyone familiar enough with this TNG novel to know whether
> maqtagh was supposed to be a particular season, analogous
> perhaps to =93monsoon=94 or =93spring=94 or a generic word for a
> seasonal time period?
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Not a novel, actually, but an episode.
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Alexander Rozhenko, son of Worf, was born on the 43rd day of Maktag. =
It's
not specified if it's a month or a season.
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The book Excelsior: Forged in Fire treats it as a month.
(It also treats Klingon years as being precisely the same length as =
Earth
years, which flies in the face of Star Trek canon.)
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From: Robyn Stewart < <mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca> =
robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 00:07
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list
Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] FW: Nonsense words
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From a conversation with my primary contact on the Microsoft Bing team.=20
---
I found this online (
<http://www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie1701/klindic.html>
http://www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie1701/klindic.html -- careful, =
this
site seems weird and may contain malware)
Maktag=20
maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" (TNG). At =
least 43
days long.]
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Somehow the wrong spelling of Maktag made it into a training text file,
where I can see
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maqtagh =E0 month
maqtagh =E0 season
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i.e. possibly someone originally found the site above and added words /
sentences to one of the training files.
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And so the engine learned that.
We have to remove and retrain.
We have an efficient way to change bad translation, but not a good way =
to
=91remove=92 words or phrases altogether..=20
..what I can do easily (we do these once a week) is to replace the wrong
translation from English to Klingon.
i.e. =93month=94 and =93season=94 right now translate to =93maqtagh=94.. =
what would be a
better translation for =93season=94?
---
Some well-meaning individual has managed to add Angelfire to our =
learning
files, and like glitter in the carpet, it will be everywhere unless we =
can
pick it out grain by grain. Is anyone familiar enough with this TNG =
novel
to know whether maqtagh was supposed to be a particular season, =
analogous
perhaps to =93monsoon=94 or =93spring=94 or a generic word for a =
seasonal time
period? =20
- Qov
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>QaQ qechlIj, voragh.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Steven =
Boozer [mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu] <br><b>Sent:</b> February 25, 2015 =
8:33<br><b>To:</b> tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Tlhingan-hol] Nonsense words<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>I quite agree. I was suggesting Qov verify that these =
didn’t make it into the Bing database by mistake – like =
*<b>Maktag</b>* did.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>--<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</a> =
[<a =
href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com">mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.co=
m</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 25, 2015 10:28 =
AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>I seriously doubt that Okrand vetted ANY of these =
“month” names, and I don’t feel responsible for =
memorizing every impossible-to-pronounce junk word that any fiction =
writer comes up with for a character pretending to speak =
Klingon.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>If the author doesn’t respect =
the language enough to work something out with Marc Okrand, I =
don’t respect the author enough to learn the words or add them to =
any lexicon.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>lojmIt tI’wI’ nuv =
‘utlh<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Retired Door Repair Guy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Steven =
Boozer <<a =
href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>Qov, another Klingon month name from the episodes you might want to =
check is *<b>Nay’Poq</b>*:</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
> </span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Courier =
New"'> <span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:Courier'>Kohlar asked the pregnant B'Elanna, =
"Did you conceive d</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New"'>uring</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Courier New"'> the holy month of =
*<b><i>Nay'Poq</i></b><i>*</i>?" (VOY "Prophecy"; why =
this month</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New"'> is holy was not =
explained)<br></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
><br></span><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Courier New"'>Also =
*<b><i>Lo'Bral</i></b><i>*, *<b>Soo'jen</b>*, *<b>Merruthj</b>*<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></i>and =
*<b><i>Xan'lahr</i></b><i>*</i><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>are other months "in the =
Year of Kahless" sequence from Michael A. Martin & Andy =
Mangels'<span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><i>Excelsior: =
Forged in Fire<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></i>[2007].<br><br></span><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>--</span><s=
pan lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Voragh</spa=
n><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ca'Non =
Master of the Klingons</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
> </span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
> </span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>On Feb 24, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Robyn =
Stewart <<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>robyn@flyingstart.ca</span></a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Perfect. That’s just what I was hoping: it’s the name of =
a *<b>particular</b>* month—in a particular culture on a =
particular planet. So I don’t have to disprove it.<br><br>Now if =
everyone, of any ability, would write me a few Klingon sentences =
whose English translation contains the word “month” or =
“season” we can retrain it. Don’t stretch yourself. =
Write within your ability. E-mail to me, include the English translation =
and then I will post the list for us to typo check.</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>- Qov</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span=
></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Felix =
Malmenbeck [<a href=3D"mailto:felixm@kth.se"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>mailto:felixm@kth.se</span></a>]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>February 24, 2015 =
15:19</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>> Maktag<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>>maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New =
Ground" (TNG). At least 43 days long.]</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>Is anyone =
familiar enough with this TNG novel to know whether</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>> maqtagh =
was supposed to be a particular season, analogous</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>> perhaps =
to “monsoon” or “spring” or a generic word for =
a</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>> seasonal =
time period?</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Not a novel, actually, but =
an episode.</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Alexander Rozhenko, son of =
Worf, was born on the 43rd day of Maktag. It's not specified if it's a =
month or a season.</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The book Excelsior: Forged =
in Fire treats it as a month.</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>(It also treats Klingon =
years as being precisely the same length as Earth years, which flies in =
the face of Star Trek canon.)</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center;background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'><hr size=3D2 =
width=3D"98%" align=3Dcenter></span></div><div =
id=3DdivRplyFwdMsg><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span=
></b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </spa=
n></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Robyn =
Stewart <<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca"><span =
style=3D'color:#954F72'>robyn@flyingstart.ca</span></a>><br><b>Sent:</=
b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, February =
25, 2015 00:07<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>tlhIngan Hol mailing =
list<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>[Tlhingan-hol] FW: Nonsense =
words</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'> </span><=
span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>From a conversation with my primary contact on the Microsoft Bing =
team.<span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>---</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I found this online (<a =
href=3D"http://www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie1701/klindic.html"><span =
style=3D'color:#954F72'>http://www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie1701/klind=
ic.html</span></a><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>-- =
careful, this site seems weird and may contain malware)</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Maktag<span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" =
(TNG). At least 43 days long.]</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Somehow the wrong spelling of Maktag made it into a training text =
file, where I can see</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>maqtagh &nb=
sp; <span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>=E0</span>=
<span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> =
month</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>maqtagh &nb=
sp; <span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>=E0</span>=
<span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> =
season</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>i.e. possibly someone originally found the site above and added words =
/ sentences to one of the training files.</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>And so the engine learned that.</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>We have to remove and retrain.</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>We have an efficient way to change bad translation, but not a good =
way to ‘remove’ words or phrases altogether..<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>..what I can do easily (we do these once a week) is to replace the =
wrong translation from English to Klingon.</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>i.e. “month” and “season” right now translate =
to “maqtagh”.. what would be a better translation for =
“season”?</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;background-position:initia=
l initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>---<br></span><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Some =
well-meaning individual has managed to add Angelfire to our learning =
files, and like glitter in the carpet, it will be everywhere unless we =
can pick it out grain by grain. Is anyone familiar enough with =
this TNG novel to know whether maqtagh was supposed to be a particular =
season, analogous perhaps to “monsoon” or =
“spring” or a generic word for a seasonal time period? =
</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>- Qov</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p =
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