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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Nonsense words
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Wed Feb 25 11:33:33 2015
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:33:13 +0000
In-Reply-To: <5E90C1B4-B993-4795-BB4C-782058D62FD6@gmail.com>
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I quite agree. I was suggesting Qov verify that these didn't make it into =
the Bing database by mistake - like *Maktag* did.
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Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
From: lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com [mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 10:28 AM
I seriously doubt that Okrand vetted ANY of these "month" names, and I don'=
t feel responsible for memorizing every impossible-to-pronounce junk word t=
hat any fiction writer comes up with for a character pretending to speak Kl=
ingon.
If the author doesn't respect the language enough to work something out wit=
h Marc Okrand, I don't respect the author enough to learn the words or add =
them to any lexicon.
lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh
Retired Door Repair Guy
On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu<mailto:sbo=
ozer@uchicago.edu>> wrote:
Qov, another Klingon month name from the episodes you might want to check i=
s *Nay'Poq*:
Kohlar asked the pregnant B'Elanna, "Did you conceive during
the holy month of *Nay'Poq*?" (VOY "Prophecy"; why this month
is holy was not explained)
Also *Lo'Bral*, *Soo'jen*, *Merruthj* and *Xan'lahr* are other months "in t=
he Year of Kahless" sequence from Michael A. Martin & Andy Mangels' Excelsi=
or: Forged in Fire [2007].
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Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
On Feb 24, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca<mailto:ro=
byn@flyingstart.ca>> wrote:
Perfect. That's just what I was hoping: it's the name of a *particular* mon=
th-in a particular culture on a particular planet. So I don't have to dispr=
ove it.
Now if everyone, of any ability, would write me a few Klingon sentences wh=
ose English translation contains the word "month" or "season" we can retrai=
n it. Don't stretch yourself. Write within your ability. E-mail to me, incl=
ude the English translation and then I will post the list for us to typo ch=
eck.
- Qov
From: Felix Malmenbeck [mailto:felixm@kth.se]
Sent: February 24, 2015 15:19
> Maktag
>maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" (TNG). At least =
43 days long.]
>Is anyone familiar enough with this TNG novel to know whether
> maqtagh was supposed to be a particular season, analogous
> perhaps to "monsoon" or "spring" or a generic word for a
> seasonal time period?
Not a novel, actually, but an episode.
Alexander Rozhenko, son of Worf, was born on the 43rd day of Maktag. It's n=
ot specified if it's a month or a season.
The book Excelsior: Forged in Fire treats it as a month.
(It also treats Klingon years as being precisely the same length as Earth y=
ears, which flies in the face of Star Trek canon.)
________________________________
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca<mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 00:07
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list
Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] FW: Nonsense words
From a conversation with my primary contact on the Microsoft Bing team.
---
I found this online (http://www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie1701/klindic.ht=
ml -- careful, this site seems weird and may contain malware)
Maktag
maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" (TNG). At least 4=
3 days long.]
Somehow the wrong spelling of Maktag made it into a training text file, whe=
re I can see
maqtagh --> month
maqtagh --> season
i.e. possibly someone originally found the site above and added words / sen=
tences to one of the training files.
And so the engine learned that.
We have to remove and retrain.
We have an efficient way to change bad translation, but not a good way to '=
remove' words or phrases altogether..
..what I can do easily (we do these once a week) is to replace the wrong tr=
anslation from English to Klingon.
i.e. "month" and "season" right now translate to "maqtagh".. what would be =
a better translation for "season"?
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Some well-meaning individual has managed to add Angelfire to our learning f=
iles, and like glitter in the carpet, it will be everywhere unless we can p=
ick it out grain by grain. Is anyone familiar enough with this TNG novel t=
o know whether maqtagh was supposed to be a particular season, analogous pe=
rhaps to "monsoon" or "spring" or a generic word for a seasonal time period=
?
- Qov
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I quite agree. I was =
suggesting Qov verify that these didn’t make it into the Bing databas=
e by mistake – like *<b>Maktag</b>* did.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri","sans-serif";color:black">Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
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ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> lojmitti=
7wi7nuv@gmail.com [mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 25, 2015 10:28 AM<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I seriously doubt that Okrand vetted ANY of these &#=
8220;month” names, and I don’t feel responsible for memorizing =
every impossible-to-pronounce junk word that any fiction writer comes up wi=
th for a character pretending to speak Klingon.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If the author doesn’t respect the language eno=
ugh to work something out with Marc Okrand, I don’t respect the autho=
r enough to learn the words or add them to any lexicon.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">lojmIt tI’wI’ nuv ‘utlh<o:p></o:p>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Retired Door Repair Guy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Steven Boozer <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Qov, another Klingon month =
name from the episodes you might want to check is *<b>Nay’Poq</b>*:</=
span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style=
=3D"font-family:Courier">Kohlar asked the pregnant B'Elanna, "Did you =
conceive d</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">uring<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
the holy month of *<b><i>Nay'Poq</i></b><i>*</i>?" (VOY "Pr=
ophecy"; why this month</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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is holy was not explained)<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","=
sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">Also *<b><i>Lo'B=
ral</i></b><i>*, *<b>Soo'jen</b>*, *<b>Merruthj</b>*<span class=3D"apple-co=
nverted-space"> </span></i>and *<b><i>Xan'lahr</i></b><i>*</i><span cl=
ass=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>are other months
"in the Year of Kahless" sequence from Michael A. Martin & A=
ndy Mangels'<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Excelsior=
: Forged in Fire<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></i>[200=
7].<br>
<br>
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libri","sans-serif"">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif"">Voragh</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif"">Ca'Non Master of the Klingons</span><o:=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Feb 24, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Robyn Stewart <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca"><span style=3D"color:purple">robyn@flyi=
ngstart.ca</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">Perfect. That’s just what I was hoping: it’s the name of a *<=
b>particular</b>* month—in a particular culture on a particular plane=
t.
So I don’t have to disprove it.<br>
<br>
Now if everyone, of any ability, would write me a few Klingon sentences &nb=
sp;whose English translation contains the word “month” or ̶=
0;season” we can retrain it. Don’t stretch yourself. Write with=
in your ability. E-mail to me, include the English translation and
then I will post the list for us to typo check.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","san=
s-serif"">From:</span></b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&q=
uot;"> </span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
;Tahoma","sans-serif"">Felix
Malmenbeck [<a href=3D"mailto:felixm@kth.se"><span style=3D"color:purple">=
mailto:felixm@kth.se</span></a>]<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> =
;</span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>February 24,=
2015 15:19</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">> Maktag<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">>maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" (=
TNG). At least 43 days long.]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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y:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">>Is anyone f=
amiliar enough with this TNG novel to know whether</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">> maqtagh wa=
s supposed to be a particular season, analogous</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">> perhaps to=
“monsoon” or “spring” or a generic word for a</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">> seasonal t=
ime period?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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y:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Not a novel, actually, but an=
episode.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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y:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Alexander Rozhenko, son of Wo=
rf, was born on the 43rd day of Maktag. It's not specified if it's a month =
or a season.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The book Excelsior: Forged in=
Fire treats it as a month.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif"">(It also treats Klingon years=
as being precisely the same length as Earth years, which flies in the face=
of Star Trek canon.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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ze:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</sp=
an></b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sa=
ns-serif"">Robyn
Stewart <<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca"><span style=3D"color:#=
954F72">robyn@flyingstart.ca</span></a>><br>
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ebruary 25, 2015 00:07<br>
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ailing list<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>[Tlhingan=
-hol] FW: Nonsense words</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"> </span><o=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">From a conversation with my primary contact on the Microsoft Bing team.<s=
pan class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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">---</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">I found this online (<a href=3D"http://www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie17=
01/klindic.html"><span style=3D"color:#954F72">http://www.angelfire.com/md/=
startrekkie1701/klindic.html</span></a><span class=3D"apple-converted-space=
"> </span>--
careful, this site seems weird and may contain malware)</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
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">Maktag<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" (TNG)=
. At least 43 days long.]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">Somehow the wrong spelling of Maktag made it into a training text file, w=
here I can see</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">maqtagh =
<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span=
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">=E0</span><=
span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-s=
erif";color:#1F497D"> &=
nbsp;
month</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">maqtagh =
<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span=
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">=E0</span><=
span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-s=
erif";color:#1F497D"> &=
nbsp;
season</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">i.e. possibly someone originally found the site above and added words / s=
entences to one of the training files.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">And so the engine learned that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">We have to remove and retrain.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">We have an efficient way to change bad translation, but not a good way to=
‘remove’ words or phrases altogether..<span class=3D"apple-con=
verted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">..what I can do easily (we do these once a week) is to replace the wrong =
translation from English to Klingon.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">i.e. “month” and “season” right now translate to =
“maqtagh”.. what would be a better translation for “seaso=
n”?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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round-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-=
serif";color:#1F497D">---<br>
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Some well-meaning individual has manag=
ed to add Angelfire to our learning files, and like glitter in the carpet, =
it will be everywhere unless we can pick it out grain by grain. Is an=
yone familiar enough with this TNG novel
to know whether maqtagh was supposed to be a particular season, analogous =
perhaps to “monsoon” or “spring” or a generic word =
for a seasonal time period? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">- Qov</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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