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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] beginners corner
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Elizabeth Lawrence)
Mon Feb 2 06:16:16 2015
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 06:16:01 -0500
From: Elizabeth Lawrence <elizabeth.lawrence08@gmail.com>
Cc: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
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Think of the sentences:
I meet you at the restaurant
Qe'Daq qaghom
I encounter the targ
targh vIghom
The mothers meet every month
Hoch jar ghom SoSpu'
The klingon speakers meet here
naDev ghom tlhIngan jatlhwI'pu'
In the first two examples, the verb ghom is transitive, and refers to a
meeting between groups or individuals. In the latter two examples, the
verb is used intransitively, and refers to the meeting of a single group.
I might gloss the difference as meet/encounter (transitive) versus
meet/assemble (intransitive).
be''etlh
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 02.02.2015 um 10:08 schrieb De'vID:
>
>> Here's another instance where electronic access to HolQeD would be
>> handy. At the end of that sentence, there is a footnote to look in
>> HolQeD 7.4, Dec. 1998. (The relevant part is actually on p.11.)
>>
>
> I do have HolQeD and I have read that part. I still didn't see how the
> meaning of the verb {ghom} has changed if it has an object. Maybe that's
> why the asker was confused in the first place.
>
> Perhabs it's because I'm not a native english speaker?
>
> {ghom} "meet, encounter"
> {maghom} "we meet"
> {qaghom} "I meet you"
>
> There is no real "change in meaning" - is there?
>
> --
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
> http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
> http://wiki.qepHom.de
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px">Think of the =
sentences:</span><div style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></div><div=
style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px">I meet you at the restaurant</div><=
div style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px">Qe'Daq qaghom</div><div styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.800=
0001907349px">I encounter the targ</div><div style=3D"font-size:12.80000019=
07349px">targh vIghom</div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br>=
</div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px">The mothers meet every mo=
nth</div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px">Hoch jar ghom SoSpu=
9;</div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></div><div style=3D=
"font-size:12.8000001907349px">The klingon speakers meet here</div><div sty=
le=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px">naDev ghom tlhIngan jatlhwI'pu'=
</div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></div><div style=3D"f=
ont-size:12.8000001907349px">In the first two examples, the verb ghom is tr=
ansitive, and refers to a meeting between groups or individuals.=C2=A0 In t=
he latter two examples, the verb is used intransitively, and refers to the =
meeting of a single group.=C2=A0 I might gloss the difference as meet/encou=
nter (transitive) versus meet/assemble (intransitive).</div><div style=3D"f=
ont-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190=
7349px">be''etlh</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Lieven <span dir=3D"ltr"=
><<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</=
a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 02.02.2015 um 10:=
08 schrieb De'vID:<span class=3D""><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Here's another instance where electronic access to HolQeD would be<br>
handy. At the end of that sentence, there is a footnote to look in<br>
HolQeD 7.4, Dec. 1998. (The relevant part is actually on p.11.)<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
I do have HolQeD and I have read that part. I still didn't see how the =
meaning of the verb {ghom} has changed if it has an object. Maybe that'=
s why the asker was confused in the first place.<br>
<br>
Perhabs it's because I'm not a native english speaker?<br>
<br>
{ghom} "meet, encounter"<br>
{maghom} "we meet"<br>
{qaghom} "I meet you"<br>
<br>
There is no real "change in meaning" - is there?<span class=3D"HO=
EnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/www.facebook.com/<u></u>Klingonteacher</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://wiki.qepHom.de" target=3D"_blank">http://wiki.qepHom.de</=
a></font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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