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The real problem that https has conspicuously failed to fix

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (James A. Donald)
Sun Jun 8 17:47:52 2003

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From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com>
To: <cypherpunks@lne.com>, <cryptography@metzdowd.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 13:43:05 -0700

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I keep posting "you cannot do this using https", and people keep =
replying "yes you can"

No you cannot, cause if you could, paypal, e-gold, e-bay, and the rest =
would not be suffering from the problem illustrated by scam mails such =
as the following

(When you hit the submit button, guess what happens)

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      Dear PayPal Customer=20


      This e-mail is the notification of recent innovations taken by =
PayPal to detect inactive customers and non-functioning mailboxes.

      The inactive customers are subject to restriction and removal in =
the next 3 months.

      Please confirm your email address and Credit or Check Card =
information using the form below:
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            Email Address:
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            Password:
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            First Name:
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            Last Name:
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            ZIP:
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            Credit or Check Card #:
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            Expiration Date:
            Month 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12  /   Year 2003 =
2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 =20
            ATM PIN:
           =20

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      Information transmitted using 128bit SSL encryption.=20

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    =20
      Thanks for using PayPal!=20
    =20
    =20
      This PayPal notification was sent to this email address because =
you are a Web Accept user and chose to receive the PayPal Periodical =
newsletter and Product Updates. To modify your notification preferences, =
go to https://www.paypal.com/PREFS-NOTI and log in to your account. =
Changes may take several days to be reflected in our mailings. Replies =
to this email will not be processed. =20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I keep posting "you cannot do this =
using https",=20
and people keep replying "yes you can"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No you cannot, cause if you could, =
paypal, e-gold,=20
e-bay, and the rest would not be suffering from the problem illustrated =
by scam=20
mails such as the following</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(When you hit the submit button, guess =
what=20
happens)</FONT></DIV>
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