[23992] in APO-L
Re: [APO-L] question about advisors
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Matt Cross)
Fri Oct 31 11:06:30 2003
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:07:11 -0500
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I agree with Mark on this. In Section 74, there have been cases where a
Chapter made a Brother an advisor right after they graduated, only to
realize that the Brother needed some time away before trying to advise =
the
Chapter. The previous Section Chairs and I have continuously =
recommended to
the Chapters to wait at least 1 year (after leaving active status as a
graduate) before making an alum an advisor to his/her home Chapter. If =
the
brother is from a different Chapter, the 1-year waiting period could be
overlooked since the new Brother does not carry any active baggage into =
the
new Chapter -- however, I would still ask Chapters to carefully consider
whom they make advisors.
=20
The other thing relating to advisors that some Chapters don't fully =
realize
is that in making a Brother an advisor, if they are not from that =
Chapter
originally, then they become a Brother of the new Chapter by virtue of
Advisory Membership. When the Chapter decides not to have said Brother =
as
an advisor or said Brother steps down, that Brother is now an alumni =
member
of that Chapter.
Matt Cross
Section 74 Chair -- Alpha Phi Omega
(888) 270-0074
mailto:section.74.chair@apo.org
http://www.section74.org <http://www.section74.org/> =20
=20
_____ =20
From: Alpha Phi Omega Discussion List [mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU] =
On
Behalf Of Mark Bransby
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:02 PM
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
While I don't believe that there is any requirement that prevents recent
graduates from becoming advisors. I would caution against doing it too =
soon.
The role of an advisor is very different from that of and active.
Generally, They don't get as embroiled in the day to day debates and
politics of a chapter. They are there to ADVISE the chapter. This =
generally
means helping when it is asked for and stepping in on the occasion when
things may get out of hand or a mediator is needed.
=20
This brings me to a second point. Advisors need to remain impartial both =
in
fact and appearance. This is often difficult for a new graduate because =
he
or she may find themselves having to choose between friends or possibly =
even
having to admit that the stance that they once advocated was incorrect =
then
and remains so now. Or that it was OK then, but has since changed. None =
of
this is easy and takes a certain amount of "removal".
=20
Now, I am by no means advocating that these brothers no longer be =
involved
with the chapter. There are many valuable ways that they can continue =
there
involvement. They should continue to support service projects. They =
could
certainly attend meetings. Although I would suggest that they "practice" =
a
more advisory stance by not chirping in on all issues and possibly =
sitting
in the back of the room to allow the actives to sit closer to the front =
and
conduct business.=20
=20
There is no reason why they can't lead projects. Again, the chapter =
should
not rely on them for their service program, or any other program for =
that
matter. At this point they should be viewed more as resources for ideas =
and
suggestions, rather than in the thick of the debates.
=20
Well, Those are my suggestions. But remember above all that you have to =
find
what works for you. This organization allows each chapter to operate as =
it
chooses. With only some general guidelines and requirements that are not
nearly as tough as many other organizations. This can be both a blessing =
and
a curse. Which way it turns out is up to the chapter.
=20
Best wishes and good luck.
=20
Mark Bransby
Delta Chapter Alumnus
Section 69=20
Region IV
-----Original Message-----
From: Alpha Phi Omega Discussion List [mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU] =
On
Behalf Of Rachel Kuhn
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:06 PM
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
Subject: [APO-L] question about advisors
=20
Brothers--
I'm trying to find this info on the national website but can't. The =
chapter
I work with is having questions about advisors. I understand that four =
are
needed. What is the breakdown: I recall that there needs to be faculty,
scouting, etc. Also, is there a national bylaw or policy on "time away" =
for
a brother who graduates and wishes to advise the chapter they pledged? =
(I
know it was a year at my chapter but that may differ elsewhere.) If =
someone
can either refresh my memory on this or send me to the right website (i =
got
a new computer and lost most of my bookmarks) I'd appreciate it!
In lfs
Rachel Kuhn
Zeta Delta alum
Section 89 Staff; section rep to EN chapter
Rachel Kuhn
Graduate Assistant
Office of Professional Development
Syracuse University
250 Huntington Hall
(315) 443-4696
Alpha Phi Omega
Section 89 Staff
rmkuhn@syr.edu
iceangel99@yahoo.com
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D189264515-31102003>I=20
agree with Mark on this. In Section 74, there have been cases =
where a=20
Chapter made a Brother an advisor right after they graduated, only to =
realize=20
that the Brother needed some time away before trying to advise the=20
Chapter. The previous Section Chairs and I have continuously =
recommended=20
to the Chapters to wait at least 1 year (after leaving active status as =
a=20
graduate) before making an alum an advisor to his/her home =
Chapter. If the=20
brother is from a different Chapter, the 1-year waiting period could be=20
overlooked since the new Brother does not carry any active baggage into =
the new=20
Chapter -- however, I would still ask Chapters to carefully consider =
whom they=20
make advisors.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D189264515-31102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D189264515-31102003>The=20
other thing relating to advisors that some Chapters don't fully realize =
is that=20
in making a Brother an advisor, if they are not from that Chapter =
originally,=20
then they become a Brother of the new Chapter by virtue of Advisory=20
Membership. When the Chapter decides not to have said Brother as =
an=20
advisor or said Brother steps down, that Brother is now an alumni member =
of that=20
Chapter.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><!-- Converted from text/plain format -->
<P><FONT size=3D2>Matt Cross<BR>Section 74 Chair -- Alpha Phi =
Omega<BR>(888)=20
270-0074<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:section.74.chair@apo.org">mailto:section.74.chair@apo.org<=
/A><BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.section74.org/">http://www.section74.org</A> =
</FONT></P>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Alpha Phi Omega Discussion =
List=20
[mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark=20
Bransby<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:02 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" color=3Dblue=20
size=3D4><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue">While I =
don’t believe that=20
there is any requirement that prevents recent graduates from becoming =
advisors.=20
I would caution against doing it too soon.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes"> =20
</SPAN>The role of an advisor is very different from that of and =
active.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Generally, <SPAN =
class=3DGramE>They</SPAN>=20
don’t get as embroiled in the day to day debates and politics of a =
chapter.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They are there to ADVISE the =
chapter.=20
This generally means helping when it is asked for and stepping in on the =
occasion when things may get out of hand or a mediator is=20
needed.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: =
blue"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue">This brings me to a second point. =
Advisors=20
need to remain impartial both in fact and appearance.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is often difficult for a =
new=20
graduate because he or she may find themselves having to choose between =
friends=20
or possibly even having to admit that the stance that they once =
advocated was=20
incorrect then and remains so now. Or that it was OK then, but has since =
changed. None of this is easy and takes a certain amount of=20
“removal”.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: =
blue"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue">Now, I am by no means advocating =
that these=20
brothers no longer be involved with the chapter.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are many valuable ways =
that they=20
can continue there involvement.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>They should continue to support service projects. They could =
certainly=20
attend meetings. Although I would suggest that they =
“practice” a more advisory=20
stance by not chirping in on all issues and possibly sitting in the back =
of the=20
room to allow the actives to sit closer to the front and conduct =
business.=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: =
blue"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue">There is no reason why they =
can’t lead=20
projects. Again, the chapter should not rely on them for their service =
program,=20
or any other program for that matter. At this point they should be =
viewed more=20
as resources for ideas and suggestions, rather than in the thick of the=20
debates.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: =
blue"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue">Well, <SPAN =
class=3DGramE>Those</SPAN> are my=20
suggestions. But remember above all that you have to find what works for =
you.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This organization =
allows each=20
chapter to operate as it chooses. With only some general guidelines and=20
requirements that are not nearly as tough as many other organizations. =
This can=20
be both a blessing and a curse. Which way it turns out is up to the=20
chapter.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: =
blue"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue">Best wishes and good=20
luck.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: =
blue"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue">Mark =
Bransby<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue">Delta Chapter=20
Alumnus<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue">Section 69 =
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue">Region =
IV<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DTahoma =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> =
Alpha Phi=20
Omega Discussion List [mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU] <B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Rachel =
Kuhn<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><st1:date=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: =
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x"=20
tabIndex=3D0 Year=3D"2003" Day=3D"30" Month=3D"10"><FONT face=3DTahoma =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Thursday, October 30,=20
2003</SPAN></FONT></st1:date><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
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PM</SPAN></FONT></st1:time><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
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APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [APO-L] question about=20
advisors</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Brothers--<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'm trying to find this info on =
the=20
national website but can't. The chapter I work with is having =
questions=20
about advisors. I understand that four are needed. What is =
the=20
breakdown: I recall that there needs to be faculty, scouting, etc. =
Also,=20
is there a national bylaw or policy on "time away" for a brother who =
graduates=20
and wishes to advise the chapter they pledged? (I know it was a =
year at my=20
chapter but that may differ elsewhere.) If someone can either =
refresh my=20
memory on this or send me to the right website (i got a new computer and =
lost=20
most of my bookmarks) I'd appreciate =
it!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In =
lfs<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Rachel=20
Kuhn<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Zeta Delta=20
alum<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Section 89 Staff; section rep =
to EN=20
chapter<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR>Rachel =
Kuhn<BR><BR>Graduate=20
Assistant<BR>Office of Professional Development<BR>Syracuse =
University<BR>250=20
Huntington Hall<BR>(315) 443-4696<BR><BR>Alpha Phi Omega<BR>Section 89=20
Staff<BR><BR>rmkuhn@syr.edu<BR>iceangel99@yahoo.com<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FO=
NT></P>
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