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Re: [APO-L] question about advisors
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark Bransby)
Thu Oct 30 22:04:54 2003
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:02:12 -0600
Reply-To: Mark Bransby <bransbym@bellsouth.net>
From: Mark Bransby <bransbym@bellsouth.net>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
In-Reply-To: <20031031020623.47389.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
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While I don't believe that there is any requirement that prevents recent
graduates from becoming advisors. I would caution against doing it too
soon. The role of an advisor is very different from that of and active.
Generally, They don't get as embroiled in the day to day debates and
politics of a chapter. They are there to ADVISE the chapter. This
generally means helping when it is asked for and stepping in on the
occasion when things may get out of hand or a mediator is needed.
This brings me to a second point. Advisors need to remain impartial both
in fact and appearance. This is often difficult for a new graduate
because he or she may find themselves having to choose between friends
or possibly even having to admit that the stance that they once
advocated was incorrect then and remains so now. Or that it was OK then,
but has since changed. None of this is easy and takes a certain amount
of "removal".
Now, I am by no means advocating that these brothers no longer be
involved with the chapter. There are many valuable ways that they can
continue there involvement. They should continue to support service
projects. They could certainly attend meetings. Although I would suggest
that they "practice" a more advisory stance by not chirping in on all
issues and possibly sitting in the back of the room to allow the actives
to sit closer to the front and conduct business.
There is no reason why they can't lead projects. Again, the chapter
should not rely on them for their service program, or any other program
for that matter. At this point they should be viewed more as resources
for ideas and suggestions, rather than in the thick of the debates.
Well, Those are my suggestions. But remember above all that you have to
find what works for you. This organization allows each chapter to
operate as it chooses. With only some general guidelines and
requirements that are not nearly as tough as many other organizations.
This can be both a blessing and a curse. Which way it turns out is up to
the chapter.
Best wishes and good luck.
Mark Bransby
Delta Chapter Alumnus
Section 69
Region IV
-----Original Message-----
From: Alpha Phi Omega Discussion List [mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU]
On Behalf Of Rachel Kuhn
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:06 PM
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
Subject: [APO-L] question about advisors
Brothers--
I'm trying to find this info on the national website but can't. The
chapter I work with is having questions about advisors. I understand
that four are needed. What is the breakdown: I recall that there needs
to be faculty, scouting, etc. Also, is there a national bylaw or policy
on "time away" for a brother who graduates and wishes to advise the
chapter they pledged? (I know it was a year at my chapter but that may
differ elsewhere.) If someone can either refresh my memory on this or
send me to the right website (i got a new computer and lost most of my
bookmarks) I'd appreciate it!
In lfs
Rachel Kuhn
Zeta Delta alum
Section 89 Staff; section rep to EN chapter
Rachel Kuhn
Graduate Assistant
Office of Professional Development
Syracuse University
250 Huntington Hall
(315) 443-4696
Alpha Phi Omega
Section 89 Staff
rmkuhn@syr.edu
iceangel99@yahoo.com
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>While I don’t believe that =
there is
any requirement that prevents recent graduates from becoming advisors. I =
would
caution against doing it too soon.<span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>The role of an advisor is very different from that of and =
active.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Generally, <span =
class=3DGramE>They</span>
don’t get as embroiled in the day to day debates and politics of a
chapter.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>They are there to =
ADVISE
the chapter. This generally means helping when it is asked for and =
stepping in
on the occasion when things may get out of hand or a mediator is =
needed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>This brings me to a second point. =
Advisors
need to remain impartial both in fact and appearance.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>This is often difficult for a =
new graduate
because he or she may find themselves having to choose between friends =
or
possibly even having to admit that the stance that they once advocated =
was
incorrect then and remains so now. Or that it was OK then, but has since
changed. None of this is easy and takes a certain amount of =
“removal”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>Now, I am by no means advocating =
that these
brothers no longer be involved with the chapter.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>There are many valuable ways =
that they
can continue there involvement.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> =
</span>They
should continue to support service projects. They could certainly attend
meetings. Although I would suggest that they “practice” a =
more
advisory stance by not chirping in on all issues and possibly sitting in =
the
back of the room to allow the actives to sit closer to the front and =
conduct business.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>There is no reason why they =
can’t
lead projects. Again, the chapter should not rely on them for their =
service
program, or any other program for that matter. At this point they should =
be
viewed more as resources for ideas and suggestions, rather than in the =
thick of
the debates.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>Well, <span =
class=3DGramE>Those</span> are my
suggestions. But remember above all that you have to find what works for
you.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>This organization =
allows each
chapter to operate as it chooses. With only some general guidelines and
requirements that are not nearly as tough as many other organizations. =
This can
be both a blessing and a curse. Which way it turns out is up to the =
chapter.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>Best wishes and good =
luck.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>Mark =
Bransby<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>Delta Chapter =
Alumnus<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>Section 69 =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>Region =
IV<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Behalf Of </span></b>Rachel Kuhn<br>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [APO-L] question =
about
advisors</span></font></p>
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Brothers--<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I'm trying to find this info on the national =
website
but can't. The chapter I work with is having questions about
advisors. I understand that four are needed. What is the =
breakdown:
I recall that there needs to be faculty, scouting, etc. Also, is =
there a
national bylaw or policy on "time away" for a brother who =
graduates
and wishes to advise the chapter they pledged? (I know it was a =
year at
my chapter but that may differ elsewhere.) If someone can either =
refresh
my memory on this or send me to the right website (i got a new computer =
and
lost most of my bookmarks) I'd appreciate =
it!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>In lfs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Rachel Kuhn<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Zeta Delta alum<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Section 89 Staff; section rep to EN =
chapter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
<br>
Rachel Kuhn<br>
<br>
Graduate Assistant<br>
Office of Professional Development<br>
Syracuse University<br>
250 Huntington Hall<br>
(315) 443-4696<br>
<br>
Alpha Phi Omega<br>
Section 89 Staff<br>
<br>
rmkuhn@syr.edu<br>
iceangel99@yahoo.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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