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Re: [APO-L] Logo Issue, and side bar
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Michael Ryan Gallagher)
Fri Mar 28 10:45:23 2003
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:45:20 -0500
Reply-To: Michael Ryan Gallagher <famtree@UDel.Edu>
From: Michael Ryan Gallagher <famtree@UDel.Edu>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
Active Brothers changing something...one thing I see as a potential problem
is that things could change every Convention as a new mix of Actives are
Members and a new mix of delegates some with even changed opinions from
previous points in time than they had before in their APO or life
experience...
Michael Gallagher
Zeta Sigma Historian & Webmaster
----- Original Message -----
From: "Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG" <Randolph.Finder@ngb.army.mil>
To: <APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [APO-L] Logo Issue, and side bar
> > Here are what I see, from a heraldic viewpoint, the
> > differences between
> > (A) the original arms on the National Charter that Randy linked to in
> > his previous post, (B) the current arms as I see then today on the
> > National ebsite, and (c) the proposed "new logo":
> >
> > Between (A) and (B): 1) Three fleur-de-lis are changed to three
> > torches. 2) (uncertain) The shape of the remaining
> > fleur-de-lis changed
> > to be in sync with the BSA's usage. I don't know offhand if this is
> > significant. Does anyone know if the description of that element
> > changed in the ritual books when this change happened?
> No, but if anyone does have a handy copy of any of the pre-1932 ritual
books
> handy, I'd *love* to see it.
>
> >
> > Between (B) and (C): The helm faceplate is closed as opposed
> > to open.
> > I forget if the textual description of the helm specifies open or
> > closed. If it doesn't, this might fall into the category of minor
> > artistic detail.
> Yes, the open helm is part of the textual description, but at the size of
> those icons, who can tell.
>
>
> The general feeling I've gotten on these designs from people who have
posted
> run about half and half between "Over my dead body" and "Well if the
active
> brothers really want it, I guess I'll live with it." and that is without
the
> original poster even proposing them as replacements on the National level
> rather than just cool icons that can be used on websites.
>
> Until someone gets up to the microphone and says "I want to change the
> official national coat of arms/crest to what is there", I think the
argument
> is more or less done...
>
>
> Randy
>
