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Re: [APO-L] Legislative Postmortem
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark Allen Stratton)
Tue Jan 7 10:05:28 2003
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:04:07 -0500
Reply-To: Mark Allen Stratton <mark_stratton@yahoo.com>
From: Mark Allen Stratton <mark_stratton@yahoo.com>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
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Legislative PostmortemBrother Vehlow and others:
In this legislative process, reference committees have great authority =
to decide how much time proposals get, whether or not any =
authors/submitters would be subpoenaed, what information they release, =
etc. They may have felt that they had enough information to evaluate =
the proposal based on the item you submitted to them, they may have =
issued subpoenas to others on this matter that they thought could offer =
more insight (an author of a proposal may or may not be the most =
knowledgeable person to give testimony on a particular matter). You =
yourself say, "With that backing and detailed explanation, it must've =
generated debate and discussion in committee". I'm sure that it did, =
and your detailed explanation may well have made a subpoena for you =
unnecessary.
If members of the reference committee(s) want to respond to you, that's =
their option, certainly. But I think it's fair to say that several =
authors/proposers were not subpoenaed. For myself, I submitted two =
resolutions at convention and was only called to testify for one (of =
course, that committee worked me over pretty thoroughly, too, so I give =
them credit for that).
In the end, the committee has the authority to decide who it will speak =
to, and it should be that way. There just is not enough time to have =
committees subpoena ALL the authors (or even the principal author) of =
ALL items that have been referred to them - they would NEVER be able to =
get their work done. We have to trust that the committees do the best =
with what they have, and if they think they have enough information that =
they don't need to subpoena someone, that's their call.
In the orientation session for committee members, chairs, and advisors, =
we explained the subpoena process, what it's used for, why committees =
would want to use it, etc. We also make it VERY clear that issuing =
subpoenas, tracking people down, and getting them to testify is a very =
time consuming job, and for most of the people who get summoned =
(typically Board members or office staff), it becomes an issue of time =
management. So, we instructed the committees that if they need to issue =
one, they should feel free to do so, but only when they are convinced =
that they need to. How individual committees chose to use that power =
was completely up to them (I myself received about 15 subpoenas dealing =
with the legislative process, not with specific proposals themselves - =
that's a lot of work for a fat guy like me running up and down 3 flights =
of stairs with no food! :-) )
Fraternally,
Mark Stratton
2002 National Convention Legislative Director
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Vehlow, Richard=20
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:54 AM
Subject: [APO-L] Legislative Postmortem
well, another legislative bonanza has come and gone. Not sure what =
passed, but I know a lot didn't, at least of the stuff I proposed. Yeah, =
i did catch flak for the amount, but can't blame a brother for caring =
and thinking.
However, I was a bit annoyed. Not at things failing to pass. I was a =
bit surprised and perturbed that i was hardly subpoenaed at all in the =
convention. 3x in the first night. NONE on Saturday.=20
I'd like to hear from those on the committees who DIDN'T subpoena me =
and who discussed items that didn't make it out of committee. What =
happened and why?
I especially want to know what happened with extension membership. I =
heard it didn't make it out of committee. 10 co-signers and not even a =
subpoena in discussion! With that backing and detailed explanation, it =
must've generated debate and discussion in committee. I'm amazed I =
wasn't called in. What's up?
-Rich "REV" Vehlow=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brother Vehlow and others:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In this legislative process, reference =
committees=20
have great authority to decide how much time proposals get, whether or =
not any=20
authors/submitters would be subpoenaed, what information they release,=20
etc. They may have felt that they had enough information to =
evaluate the=20
proposal based on the item you submitted to them, they may have issued =
subpoenas=20
to others on this matter that they thought could offer more insight (an =
author=20
of a proposal may or may not be the most knowledgeable person to give =
testimony=20
on a particular matter). You yourself say, "<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">With that backing and detailed explanation, it =
must've=20
generated debate and discussion in committee". </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial>I'm=20
sure that it did, and your detailed explanation may well have made a =
subpoena=20
for you unnecessary.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If members of the reference =
committee(s) want to=20
respond to you, that's their option, certainly. But I think it's =
fair to=20
say that several authors/proposers were not subpoenaed. For =
myself, I=20
submitted two resolutions at convention and was only called to testify =
for one=20
(of course, that committee worked me over pretty thoroughly, too, so I =
give them=20
credit for that).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the end, the committee has the =
authority to=20
decide who it will speak to, and it should be that way. There just =
is not=20
enough time to have committees subpoena ALL the authors (or even the =
principal=20
author) of ALL items that have been referred to them - they would NEVER =
be able=20
to get their work done. We have to trust that the committees do =
the best=20
with what they have, and if they think they have enough information that =
they=20
don't need to subpoena someone, that's their call.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the orientation session for =
committee members,=20
chairs, and advisors, we explained the subpoena process, what it's used =
for, why=20
committees would want to use it, etc. We also make it VERY clear =
that=20
issuing subpoenas, tracking people down, and getting them to testify is =
a very=20
time consuming job, and for most of the people who get summoned =
(typically Board=20
members or office staff), it becomes an issue of time management. =
So, we=20
instructed the committees that if they need to issue one, they should =
feel free=20
to do so, but only when they are convinced that they need to. How=20
individual committees chose to use that power was completely up to them =
(I=20
myself received about 15 subpoenas dealing with the legislative process, =
not=20
with specific proposals themselves - that's a lot of work for a fat guy =
like me=20
running up and down 3 flights of stairs with no food! :-) =
)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fraternally,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Stratton</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2002 National Convention Legislative=20
Director</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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Postmortem</DIV>
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<P><FONT size=3D2>well, another legislative bonanza has come and gone. =
Not sure=20
what passed, but I know a lot didn't, at least of the stuff I =
proposed. Yeah,=20
i did catch flak for the amount, but can't blame a brother for caring =
and=20
thinking.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>However, I was a bit annoyed. Not at things failing =
to pass. I=20
was a bit surprised and perturbed that i was hardly subpoenaed at all =
in the=20
convention. 3x in the first night. NONE on Saturday. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>I'd like to hear from those on the committees who =
DIDN'T=20
subpoena me and who discussed items that didn't make it out of =
committee. What=20
happened and why?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>I especially want to know what happened with =
extension=20
membership. I heard it didn't make it out of committee. 10 co-signers =
and not=20
even a subpoena in discussion! With that backing and detailed =
explanation, it=20
must've generated debate and discussion in committee. I'm amazed I =
wasn't=20
called in. What's up?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>-Rich "REV" Vehlow</FONT> =
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