[23283] in APO-L
Re: [APO-L] "A-Phi-Que", "APO", or "A-Phi-O"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Derek J. Cashman)
Thu Dec 12 16:46:27 2002
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:48:25 -0500
Reply-To: "Derek J. Cashman" <derek.cashman@vcu.edu>
From: "Derek J. Cashman" <derek.cashman@vcu.edu>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
In-Reply-To: <F70HYt2gYCL6ntBscu000023378@hotmail.com>
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All three of these variations of referring to Alpha Phi Omega are used,
quite commonly. The term "Ay-Phi-Que", is generally used by those at
Historically-Black Colleges & Universities (abbreviated as HBCU or
HBCUs). It is quite common among the National Panhellenic Council
fraternities & sororities (not necessarily only at HBCUs, but in other
NPHC fraternities on other campuses as well, to refer to the greek
letter Omega as, "Q". They do this so as to differentiate it from the
greek letter Omicron "O". I really wouldn't say that "Ay-Phi-Que" refers
to a so-called, "separatist movement" in the fraternity, if there even
is one. "Ay-Phi-Que" is merely the term for APO or APhiO commonly used
by African-Americans. However, to avoid the stereotype, not every
African-American brother of APO used that term. I have also seen several
petitioners in Section 83's newest Petitioning Group, at Virginia Union
University (a HBCU), refer to themselves as "Ay-Phi-Que." I would also
note that this particular petitioning group is also a very co-ed group.
As far as the "separatist group" that has been referred to, these
brothers generally call themselves, "Brothers of the Rising Sun." I
wouldn't necessarily call them as "separatist group", since I don't
believe their goal is to form a completely separate organization. They
do have some different views on how the fraternity should be structured,
which are not held by the majority of active brothers at this time (not
that there's anything wrong with having different views on how the
fraternity should be structured). But the way I see it, merely referring
to yourself and your fraternity as, "Ay-Phi-Que," does not automatically
say that you are calling yourself a, "Brother of the Rising Sun."
_____
Derek J. Cashman (derek.cashman@vcu.edu)
Graduate Student, Department of Medicinal Chemistry
MCV Campus of Virginia Commonwealth University
_____
"A Drug is any substance which, when injected into a rat, produces a
publishable, scientific paper."
-----Original Message-----
From: Alpha Phi Omega Discussion List [mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU]
On Behalf Of Charles Brace
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:21 PM
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
Subject: [APO-L] "A-Phi-Que", "APO", or "A-Phi-O"
Brothers
Prior messages have debated about the "seperatist" sentiment from some
chapters calling themselves "A-Phi-Que". Personally, I don't see it is
any different than using other various ways of saying Alpha Phi Omega.
Some chapters swear by "A P O", others by "A Phi O", and some by "A Phi
Que", and still others by "A P Q".
I pledged a chapter that always said "A Phi O". After I moved to New
York, i noticed that most, if not all, chapters used "A P O". I caught
myself using "A P O" alot more since I moved, however I am still known
to say "A Phi O" quite often.
No matter how you say it, we are still all Brothers in Alpha Phi Omega,
National Service Fraternity. I could never consider a Brother a
seperatist just because they use "A Phi Q" or "A P Q" or "A P O" or "A
Phi O" (or for any number of reasons for that matter).
Many chapters pride themselves on different things. And in a sense,
each chapter is a seperate piece of the whole, each with it's own unique
customs and traditions. Surely nobody is proposing that each chapter is
a "seperatist" because the Brothers are proud of their chapter.
I am very proud of both of the chapters that I am a part of. Each
iscompletely different. And each is unique. It is at conferences and
conventions that we can celebrate these differences and learn from each
other.
I understand completely how frustrating it is when someone judges you
and your chapter because of culture and traditions. And believe me, it
can be frustrating when other Brothers view you and your chapter as
abnormal. Sometimes Brothers can be downright nasty. (I am not
claiming anyone in this discussion has been nasty in any sense.) But,
isn't Alpha Phi Omega a collection of chapters that are different?
Just some thoughts
in LFS
--chuck brace
_______________________________________________________
Charles Brace, B.A., B.S.
brace347@hotmail.com
Juris Doctor Candidate, Syracuse University
Alpha Phi Omega, National Service Fraternity
Section 89 -- Leadership Development Coordinator
Pi Chi Chapter (Duquesne Univerity) -- SPC '97
Phi Chapter (Syracuse University) -- Honorary -- S '02
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All three of these variations of =
referring
to Alpha Phi Omega are used, quite commonly. The term =
“Ay-Phi-<span
class=3DSpellE>Que</span>”, is generally used by those at
Historically-Black Colleges & Universities (abbreviated as HBCU or =
<span
class=3DSpellE>HBCUs</span>). It is quite common among the National =
<span
class=3DSpellE>Panhellenic</span> Council fraternities & sororities =
(not
necessarily only at <span class=3DSpellE>HBCUs</span>, but in other NPHC
fraternities on other campuses as well, to refer to the <span =
class=3DSpellE><span
class=3DGramE>greek</span></span> letter Omega as, “Q”. They =
do this
so as to differentiate it from the <span class=3DSpellE><span =
class=3DGramE>greek</span></span>
letter Omicron “O”. I really wouldn’t say that =
“Ay-Phi-<span
class=3DSpellE>Que</span>” refers to a so-called, =
“separatist
movement” in the fraternity, if there even is one. =
“Ay-Phi-<span
class=3DSpellE>Que</span>” is merely the term for =
</span></font><st1:place><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>APO</span></font></st1:place><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> or <span =
class=3DSpellE>APhiO</span>
commonly used by African-Americans. However, to avoid the stereotype, =
not every
African-American brother of </span></font><st1:place><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>APO</span></font>=
</st1:place><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> used that term. I have also seen several petitioners in =
Section 83’s
newest Petitioning Group, at =
</span></font><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Virginia</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> =
</span></font><st1:PlaceName><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Union</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> =
</span></font><st1:PlaceType><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>University</span></font></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><font =
size=3D2
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> (a HBCU)<span class=3DGramE>,</span> refer to themselves as =
“Ay-Phi-<span
class=3DSpellE>Que</span>.” I would also note that this particular
petitioning group is also a very co-ed =
group.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As far as the “separatist =
group”
that has been referred to, these brothers generally call themselves, =
“Brothers
of the Rising Sun.” I wouldn’t necessarily call them as =
“separatist
group”<span class=3DGramE>,</span> since I don’t believe =
their goal
is to form a completely separate organization. They do have some =
different
views on how the fraternity should be structured, which are not held by =
the
majority of active brothers at this time (not that there’s =
anything wrong
with having different views on how the fraternity should be structured). =
But
the way I see it, merely referring to yourself and your fraternity as, =
“Ay-Phi-<span
class=3DSpellE>Que</span>,” does not automatically say that you =
are calling
yourself a, “Brother of the Rising =
Sun.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font =
size=3D3
color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-no-proof:yes'>Derek J. Cashman (<a =
href=3D"mailto:derek.cashman@vcu.edu">derek.cashman@vcu.edu</a>)<br>
Graduate Student, Department of Medicinal Chemistry<br>
MCV Campus of </span></font><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><font =
color=3Dnavy><span
=
style=3D'color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>Virginia</span></font></st1:PlaceNa=
me><font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'> =
</span></font><st1:PlaceName><font
color=3Dnavy><span =
style=3D'color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>Commonwealth</span></font></st1:Pla=
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</span></font><st1:PlaceType><font
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Type></st1:place><font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><b><font size=3D2
color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy;
font-weight:bold;mso-no-proof:yes'>"A Drug is any substance which, =
when
injected into a rat, produces a publishable, scientific =
paper."</span></font></b><font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Alpha Phi Omega =
Discussion
List [mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Charles Brace<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> =
</span></font><st1:date
Month=3D"12" Day=3D"12" Year=3D"2002"><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Thursday, December 12, =
2002</span></font></st1:date><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:time
Hour=3D"16" Minute=3D"21"><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>4:21 PM</span></font></st1:time><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [APO-L]
"A-Phi-Que", "</span></font><st1:place><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>APO</span></font></st1:plac=
e><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>", or
"A-Phi-O"</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Brothers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Prior
messages have debated about the "seperatist" sentiment from =
some
chapters calling themselves "A-Phi-Que". Personally, I =
don't
see it is any different than using other various ways of saying Alpha =
Phi
Omega. Some chapters swear by "A P O", others by "A =
Phi
O", and some by "A Phi Que", and still others by "A =
P
Q". <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I pledged
a chapter that always said "A Phi O". After I moved to =
</span></font><st1:State><st1:place>New
York</st1:place></st1:State>, i noticed that most, if not all, =
chapters used
"A P O". I caught myself using "A P O" alot =
more
since I moved, however I am still known to say "A Phi O" quite =
often.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>No matter
how you say it, we are still all Brothers in Alpha Phi Omega, National =
Service
Fraternity. I could never consider a Brother a seperatist just =
because
they use "A Phi Q" or "A P Q" or "A P =
O" or
"A Phi O" (or for any number of reasons for that =
matter).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Many
chapters pride themselves on different things. And in a sense, =
each
chapter is a seperate piece of the whole, each with it's own unique =
customs and
traditions. Surely nobody is proposing that each chapter is a
"seperatist" because the Brothers are proud of their =
chapter.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I am very
proud of both of the chapters that I am a part of. Each =
iscompletely
different. And each is unique. It is at conferences and =
conventions
that we can celebrate these differences and learn from each =
other.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I
understand completely how frustrating it is when someone judges you and =
your
chapter because of culture and traditions. And believe me, it can =
be
frustrating when other Brothers view you and your chapter as =
abnormal.
Sometimes Brothers can be downright nasty. (I am not claiming =
anyone in
this discussion has been nasty in any sense.) But, isn't Alpha Phi =
Omega
a collection of chapters that are =
different?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Just some
thoughts<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>in LFS<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>--chuck
brace<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________________ =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Charles Brace, B.A., B.S. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>brace347@hotmail.com <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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