[23273] in APO-L
Re: [APO-L] Pre-Convention Greetings to my Brothers
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (JayBEE!)
Thu Dec 12 00:40:51 2002
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:40:35 -0500
Reply-To: JayBEE! <JayBEE@25-52.zzn.com>
From: JayBEE! <JayBEE@25-52.zzn.com>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
<html><head><meta Name='keywords' Content='commtouch, pronto, mail, free email, free, branded, web based, free web based email, communications, internet, software, advertising banners, e-mail, free software'></head><body ><div align='left'><font ><blockquote><blockquote><TT>Sorry I tried not to make this long. I truly convinced, not that <BR>
there are<BR>
individuals who do not understand, but there are some who actually <BR>
have a<BR>
wall to get around first. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> and DO NOT want a seperate Frat. We already have one because some <BR>
of our<BR>
> White Brothers are not comfortable with us.<BR>
<BR>
I beg to differ. It would seem, unless I am misunderstanding, that <BR>
those<BR>
who call themselves A Phi Ques are seperating themselves from the<BR>
Fraternity. I believe it is best to take responsibility for one's <BR>
actions<BR>
and not seek to find division where there is none.<BR>
<BR>
>>Big Assumption<BR>
>>We call ourselves Ay-Phi-Ques because it developed out of our <BR>
heritage. <BR>
>>When amoungst other members we are what we all are Alpha Phi <BR>
Omega. I <BR>
>>have found sevaral simularities of other separate heritages within <BR>
>>different chapters. That doesn't make them separate. We really <BR>
do not<BR>
>>want to separate. We just want to be ourselves. That shouldn't be<BR>
>>so much of a problem. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> They would find it an enjoyable experience if they ever took the <BR>
time to<BR>
> fellowship with us and not believe the rumors or Pre-judge.<BR>
<BR>
If any A Phi Que wants to fellowship with me, I would be most happy <BR>
to do<BR>
so. I want to understand why people would choose to participate in<BR>
something that so effectively separates them from the rest of APO.<BR>
<BR>
>>The Equation is very simple. Some people do not like rap music. <BR>
Others<BR>
can stand it but really don't like to be around it. Still others <BR>
have<BR>
have heard about it but it really doesn't interest them. Others <BR>
flip <BR>
right by it in there quest to find Country music. Not understanding <BR>
fundamental differences is the root of misunderstanding. Whether <BR>
people<BR>
can stand other is not point. Some individuals would rather be <BR>
different than be around something that is always attempting to not <BR>
change the very fiber of their character. This works both ways. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> I have been suspended by the National Board for "Interfering with a<BR>
> sanctioned extension effort" I have nothing to hide.<BR>
<BR>
So, you deny the actions you are accused of?<BR>
<BR>
>>I'm sorry Joel but I have to state this. After discussing the <BR>
parameters<BR>
>>of this suspension, it shouts to me of the vastly embarrasing <BR>
insufficient<BR>
>>investigation to bring this verdict to the forefront. Justice? <BR>
what<BR>
>>Justice? If a person within Alpha Phi Omega is falsely accused, <BR>
what then <BR>
>>is the recourse. Does he deserve an apology? What proof must he <BR>
render <BR>
>>that would be sufficient enought to overturn a suspension. There <BR>
is none.<BR>
>>There is nothing he can do. I admire you Joel for taking this <BR>
heat. Even<BR>
>>when can see the gravity of the error. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
A Phi Ques have a reputation as separatist, elitist, and divisive. <BR>
The<BR>
best thing any could do is DEMONSTRATE that this is not so.<BR>
<BR>
> Please don't judge us until you get to know us.<BR>
<BR>
>>Now see, when you state a reputation, it is as if you are <BR>
mirroring the <BR>
>>belief. It is just the same as you saying, "A Phi Ques are <BR>
separatist, <BR>
elitist, and divisive." And not to disagree with you. but to <BR>
explain <BR>
what you are saying. Separatist// We have become separated because <BR>
the <BR>
none growth rule places all male chapters on individual islands that <BR>
can <BR>
instantly become smaller when they less members in Alpha Phi Omega <BR>
who <BR>
understand them and wish/work towards their chapters to change. <BR>
elitist// I'm sorry I think you think in reverse. A-Phi-Ques know <BR>
when<BR>
a foot as been placed above them. Divisive// Alpha Phi Omega is a <BR>
single <BR>
entity, when it has national functions all brothers of Ay-Phi-Que <BR>
are <BR>
encourage to take part in. But nationally, there are several groups <BR>
of<BR>
Alpha Phi Omega that does things on their own. So why would we be <BR>
called<BR>
divisive? <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Those who have done so have found it to be a pleasant <BR>
acculturational<BR>
> experience. We believe in our frat and want to considered as equal<BR>
> Brothers and not outcasts.<BR>
<BR>
Which Frat? APO or A Phi Que? As near as I can tell, they are not <BR>
the<BR>
same.<BR>
<BR>
>>He is stating that if you think that fellowshipping is an issue <BR>
Ay-Phi-Ques see it as a non-issue. In other, words you should not <BR>
have to say as you did early, "if you to fellowship with me" you <BR>
have to also have a desire to fellowship. Once that is done, then <BR>
you can allow yourself to journey to a location crowed with Ay-Phi-<BR>
Ques. Reference is often poorly judged from a clocktower. Sometime <BR>
you can shoot off a scud missle and hit a nearby bunker. As in the <BR>
the case of Joel Bryant. Later in life, we'll be saying: "Rick <BR>
that ball just Joel'ed the outside corner on that pitch to Chipper <BR>
Jones. Or I think I got just Joel'ed, that teacher gave me <BR>
only "F" she gave out, But I know I made a "A".<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Things change, and splitting people off to form A Phi Que is, <BR>
in my eyes, only destructive.<BR>
<BR>
>>You should not think of Ay-Phi-Ques Splitting off to form. Things <BR>
do change. But Ay-Phi-Que hasn't. There enlies the problem. It <BR>
will<BR>
never go away. Even if all the chapters in Alpha Phi Omega were coed<BR>
there will still be individuals wanting to learn about being more an<BR>
Ay-Phi-Que. Which to me is beautiful. To me love survives even the <BR>
most toughest hate. Even reverse hate. I say that because this is <BR>
about the hatred bestowed upon something that is encomprehensible <BR>
because of the aftermath of what is left in it's wake. You can only <BR>
see from where your sitting, but you don't realize how much your <BR>
vision<BR>
is blurred. You can only judge from what you know. And from where<BR>
your sitting I would draw the same conclusions. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
An example: I am one to believe that Saddam has "Weapons of Mass <BR>
Descruction" hidden somewhere in his country. But I need the <BR>
evidence. <BR>
You see, have to see for myself, not because you can verbally make a <BR>
case. <BR>
Doesn't everyone have the basic humanistic right of "Show me and let <BR>
me <BR>
make a decision". Or do we as a country have a lynch mob gene that <BR>
causes us to go with the flow of conjecture into unjustifiable <BR>
determinations.<BR>
<BR>
JayBEE!<BR>
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