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Re: [APO-L] -L format
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Vehlow, Richard)
Wed Nov 6 08:55:15 2002
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:55:09 -0500
Reply-To: "Vehlow, Richard" <Richard.Vehlow@OGS.STATE.NY.US>
From: "Vehlow, Richard" <Richard.Vehlow@OGS.STATE.NY.US>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
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With all due respect, this is almost 2003 and no longer 1988 (when APO-l was
founded) or 1993 (when APOSOC was founded). How much longer before we can
get with the times? If someone out of 500 subscribers still reads email on a
vintage TRS-80 with 300 baud modem, do we still have to keep the list at
their level, or can we encourage them to finally move up in technology
level?
I do a newsletter in Word format for my engineering society and send it out
as an attachment to over 200 people- some at home. I have yet to receive one
complaint that said newsletter can't be opened. I venture to say that a vast
majority of APOSOC people here are capable to receive rich mail and
attachments.
In my chapter, years ago i was laughed at when I first suggested that
chapter newsletters be sent by email. "Who would read their email" was the
quote. Within about 3-4 years, email newsletters became the standard in our
chapter, and are now widely done in most chapters at least. Likewise who
knew anything about the web in APO 10 years ago? So, I think it's not a
question of if we should upgrade but when.
-REV
-----Original Message-----
From: Packy Anderson [mailto:packy@daffy.dardan.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:44 AM
To: Vehlow, Richard
Cc: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
Subject: Re: [APO-L] -L format
Vehlow, Richard [Richard.Vehlow@OGS.STATE.NY.US] writes:
> Right now, APO-L is in text-only mode. In Digest at least, more and more
> messages are becoming garbled due to web and word control characters and
> rich text.
>
> I have been on a couple of recent email lists where the Digest sends the
> messages out as separate email attachment files in the daily post. When
> you open them, they appear as they should be. Attachments, font styles
> and all. Isn't it about time to go to this format for the list?
>
I'd vote a hearty NO. It's bad enough that individual messages are coming
through in HTML and RTF, but if the entire digest came through as a bunch
of MIME attachments it would make this list nigh-impossible to read for
people who aren't using Microsoft Outlook to read their email. Personally,
I am unable to read almost half the email messages on APO-L from work
because of the way they are formatted; I have to save them and wait until I
get home.
-
I'd say the better response would be to remind people that APO-L is a text
only list, and that they should turn off Rich Text Formatting when they
send messages to the list. Yes, it means that they're not able to select
the font size and color for their messages, but it does ensure that
everyone on the list is able to read their messages.
-
YiLFS,
-packy
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>With all due respect, this is almost 2003 and no =
longer 1988 (when APO-l was founded) or 1993 (when APOSOC was founded). =
How much longer before we can get with the times? If someone out of 500 =
subscribers still reads email on a vintage TRS-80 with 300 baud modem, =
do we still have to keep the list at their level, or can we encourage =
them to finally move up in technology level?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I do a newsletter in Word format for my engineering =
society and send it out as an attachment to over 200 people- some at =
home. I have yet to receive one complaint that said newsletter can't be =
opened. I venture to say that a vast majority of APOSOC people here are =
capable to receive rich mail and attachments.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In my chapter, years ago i was laughed at when I =
first suggested that chapter newsletters be sent by email. "Who =
would read their email" was the quote. Within about 3-4 years, =
email newsletters became the standard in our chapter, and are now =
widely done in most chapters at least. Likewise who knew anything about =
the web in APO 10 years ago? So, I think it's not a question of if we =
should upgrade but when.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-REV</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Packy Anderson [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:packy@daffy.dardan.com">mailto:packy@daffy.dardan.com</A>=
]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:44 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Vehlow, Richard</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: [APO-L] -L format</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Vehlow, Richard [Richard.Vehlow@OGS.STATE.NY.US] =
writes:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Right now, APO-L is in text-only mode. In =
Digest at least, more and more</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> messages are becoming garbled due to web and =
word control characters and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> rich text.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I have been on a couple of recent email lists =
where the Digest sends the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> messages out as separate email attachment files =
in the daily post. When</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> you open them, they appear as they should be. =
Attachments, font styles</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> and all. Isn't it about time to go to =
this format for the list?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'd vote a hearty NO. It's bad enough that =
individual messages are coming</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>through in HTML and RTF, but if the entire digest =
came through as a bunch</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>of MIME attachments it would make this list =
nigh-impossible to read for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>people who aren't using Microsoft Outlook to read =
their email. Personally,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I am unable to read almost half the email messages =
on APO-L from work</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>because of the way they are formatted; I have to =
save them and wait until I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>get home.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'd say the better response would be to remind =
people that APO-L is a text</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>only list, and that they should turn off Rich Text =
Formatting when they</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>send messages to the list. Yes, it means that =
they're not able to select</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the font size and color for their messages, but it =
does ensure that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>everyone on the list is able to read their messages.<=
/FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>YiLFS,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-packy</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Science Fiction Geek Pickup Line: "I'm the droid =
you're looking for."</FONT>
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