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Re: [APO-L] Consistent Sectional chair start date?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark Stratton)
Tue May 21 09:09:42 2002
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Brother Joel Natt wrote:
>I agree and disagree (yes I am on both sides). I believe that as Randy =
points out to have a consentient start date will benefit the fraternity =
and >the students. It would create for a clear period of both =
transition and closer; additionally it would allow the both the National =
Office and the >students time to not only finish the year with the same =
person, but address any final concerns that the out-going Section Chair =
was dealing with >thus ensuring for a clear transition.
I don't see how this is any benefit to the students (I don't think it's =
any more detrimental than having the SC take over immediately after =
election), though I suppose it would be (administratively speaking) =
easier for the National Office.
Here is my concern, however. While many sections have their elections =
in the spring, some (I believe) may do them, say, in the fall. If you =
have a uniform date (June or July 1, for example), you'l have a =
significant period of time where the incoming chair won't take office =
and the outgoing chair is a completely lame duck. And there's no =
guarantee the outgoing chair will "deal with any final concerns." =20
Sections should be able, I think, to choose the manner that is best for =
them - students in one section may neither need nor want such a time =
frame, while others may very well need it.
Frankly, I don't see a *need* to establish a uniform date for section =
chairs to take office (and the notes earlier about the difficulty that =
waiting presents in selecting staff cannot be ignored). It might be a =
good thing, but I'm not convinced it will be a good thing, nor am I =
convinced it makes things better. Given that, I'd be hard-pressed to =
support it (not that my support is necessary, mind you.)
I don't find any positive benefit to the students or sections; I only =
find a benefit to the National Office, and it's only a marginal one at =
that. I'd have to say this isn't a particularly necessary change.
>Furthermore it would allow the in-coming SC to get to know both the =
students and existing staff to better help them assemble a Staff that =
will >support the Section better.
By and large, the students and staff already know this person (it =
happens sometimes that isn't the case, but I suspect that's pretty =
rare.)
>Think of it like the Presidential or Congressional Elections, they have =
a period of transition and everything works for them still.
Alright, the political scientist in me (and the student of American =
government, I might add) wants to pull what's left of my hair out. =
There's a reason there is a waiting period - there must be time to =
investigate contested elections, people (congresspersons, for example) =
have to find new residences in Washington, hire a staff, etc. NONE of =
these (except maybe finding a staff, and even then,it's not nearly the =
same) exists in the situation we're talking about. It's easy to want to =
always make parallels to American government, but frankly, it's of very =
little use. They NEED the transition time; we do not.
But this is certainly an interesting discussion. I love these types of =
philosophical debates.
:-)
Fraternally,
Mark Stratton
Region VI Parliamentarian
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brother Joel Natt wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>>I agree and disagree (yes I am on both sides). I believe =
that as=20
Randy points out to have a consentient start date will benefit the =
fraternity=20
and >the students. It would create for a clear period of both=20
transition and closer; additionally it would allow the both the National =
Office=20
and the >students time to not only finish the year with the same =
person, but=20
address any final concerns that the out-going Section Chair was dealing =
with=20
>thus ensuring for a clear transition.<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't see how this is any benefit to =
the students=20
(I don't think it's any more detrimental than having the SC take over=20
immediately after election), though I suppose it would be =
(administratively=20
speaking) easier for the National Office.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here is my concern, however. =
While many=20
sections have their elections in the spring, some (I believe) may do =
them, say,=20
in the fall. If you have a uniform date (June or July 1, for =
example),=20
you'l have a significant period of time where the incoming chair won't =
take=20
office and the outgoing chair is a completely lame duck. And =
there's no=20
guarantee the outgoing chair will "deal with any final concerns." =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sections should be able, I think, to =
choose the=20
manner that is best for them - students in one section may neither need =
nor want=20
such a time frame, while others may very well need it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Frankly, I don't see a *need* to =
establish a=20
uniform date for section chairs to take office (and the notes earlier =
about the=20
difficulty that waiting presents in selecting staff cannot be =
ignored). It=20
might be a good thing, but I'm not convinced it will be a good thing, =
nor am I=20
convinced it makes things better. Given that, I'd be hard-pressed =
to=20
support it (not that my support is necessary, mind you.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't find any positive benefit to =
the students=20
or sections; I only find a benefit to the National Office, and it's only =
a=20
marginal one at that. I'd have to say this isn't a particularly =
necessary=20
change.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>>Furthermore it would allow the in-coming SC to get to know =
both the=20
students and existing staff to better help them assemble a Staff that =
will=20
>support the Section better.<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>By and large, the students and staff =
already know=20
this person (it happens sometimes that isn't the case, but I suspect =
that's=20
pretty rare.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>>Think of it like the Presidential or Congressional Elections, =
they have=20
a period of transition and everything works for them still.<BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Alright, the political scientist in me =
(and the=20
student of American government, I might add) wants to pull what's left =
of my=20
hair out. There's a reason there is a waiting period - there must =
be time=20
to investigate contested elections, people (congresspersons, for =
example) have=20
to find new residences in Washington, hire a staff, etc. NONE of =
these=20
(except maybe finding a staff, and even then,it's not nearly the same) =
exists in=20
the situation we're talking about. It's easy to want to always =
make=20
parallels to American government, but frankly, it's of very little =
use. =20
They NEED the transition time; we do not.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But this is certainly an interesting=20
discussion. I love these types of philosophical =
debates.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fraternally,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Stratton</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Region VI=20
Parliamentarian</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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