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Re: [APO-L] Hypothetical University Requirements.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Randy Finder)
Wed Apr 24 08:18:54 2002
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:17:39 -0400
Reply-To: Randy Finder <naraht@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
From: Randy Finder <naraht@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
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On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Paul Boal wrote:
> Then they'll have a huge lawsuit on their hands from a variety of groups
> including the ACLU, NOW, and various others that would interpret such a
> ridiculous policy as absolutely ridiculous!
First these groups have to find out. :)
>
> I'll assume that you aren't simply trolling and have thoughts about why this
> would happen that I simply haven't come up with. So, in what instance would
> a co-ed university ever look at a service organization like APO and say
> "we'll allow you to form a chapter here, but it can only have male members?"
There are a couple of reasons that have been stated elsewhere, but I can
come up with at least 3. I'm not saying that these are "right", I'm saying
they are easily within the realm of possibility
1) We have Gamma Sigma Sigma on our campus. a co-ed APO will kill it, an
all-male APO will invigorate it,
2) Alpha Phi Omega only allowed men when it was here from 1963-1994,
therefore it should only have men when it comes back.
3) The Dean of students is an alumnus of Alpha Phi Omega from when it was
all-male and disagreed with us when we went co-ed.
Not sure which of these reasons (if any) is the one that is true for the
examples that Jaybee gave.
>
> The only case I can think of is if the university said "this APO thing will
> be classified as a fraternity" and "we require our fraternities to be all
> male." I'd guess, though, that typically the all-maleness of fraternities
> is defined by their own leadership, not by a university policy.
True, but we aren't dealing with "most schools"
>
> If this ever did come up, I'd say that the response of our national
> leadership should be to deny that charter. Our membership policies state
> that the chapter's makeup should be representative of the student
> population. That's been consistently interpreted to mean that our chapters
> must make a concerted not to exclude any group of students from membership
> in the chapter.
This is not the extension group denying membership, this is the school.
And the fraternity *has* expanded to schools where grad students are not
allowed to become part of any undergraduate student organization. (Yes,
individual chapters are allowed to exclude grad students, but this is a
campus ban)
YiLFS
Randolph Finder
>
> --Paul
>
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 1:03 PM
> Subject: [APO-L] Hypothetical University Requirements.
>
> > I am familiar with cases for requirements 1,3 & 4 and have heard of one
> > for #2. OTOH, What if the school puts this requirement...
> >
> > 5) The chapter may only have men as members. What then?
> >
>
>
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